Monthly waste of time :-( Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-11-15 Thread geoffrey mendelson
Subject says it all, except that it's been longer than a month. Has anyone been able to buy a DVD-T (digital TV receiver) USB stick IN ISRAEL and get it to work under Linux? You can guess what I think of the likelyhood of it happening. :-( With less than three months left it may be a prob

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-26 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Aug 26, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: I was referring to computer software in specific. So I suspect if one web site published a story in a freely available, and another website "accidentally" copied it, no harm was done, and thus no need to pay anybody. That exact argument,

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 01:52:23PM +0300, geoffrey mendelson wrote: > That's an interesting point. What exactly would you sue for? In Israel > you can only claim damages equal to the amount you were actually > damaged. Not only that, but buying an infringing work is not illegal in > Israel.

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:39:43PM +0300, geoffrey mendelson wrote: > > On Aug 25, 2010, at 11:18 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: > >> On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Lior Kaplan wrote: >> >>> http://www.doom.co.il/blog/?p=333 >> >> Any chance of a quick executive summary for us Hebrew impaired? > > > > I had to use g

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-26 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oron Peled wrote: IANAL, but AFAIK English is one of Israel's official languages. In this you are, to the best of my knowledge, wrong. Only Hebrew and Arabic are official languages. Then again, the only official GPL language is English, and Israeli courts acknowledge, for example, contract

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-26 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Dov Grobgeld wrote: Note that you can only sue for infringement of works that you own the copyright for, or if the owner of the work has agreed that you can sue on her behalf. I.e. before trying to sue someone you have find someone with copyright who is willing to claim that his right have been

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-26 Thread Dov Grobgeld
Note that you can only sue for infringement of works that you own the copyright for, or if the owner of the work has agreed that you can sue on her behalf. I.e. before trying to sue someone you have find someone with copyright who is willing to claim that his right have been violated. Regards, Dov

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-26 Thread Oron Peled
On Thursday, 26 בAugust 2010 13:52:23 geoffrey mendelson wrote: > On Aug 26, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Oron Peled wrote: > > Now try to convince a judge that publishing in some > > manufacturer's web-site is equivalent to this. > That's an interesting point. What exactly would you sue for?

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-26 Thread Shachar Shemesh
geoffrey mendelson wrote: That's an interesting point. What exactly would you sue for? You revoke their license. In Israel you can only claim damages equal to the amount you were actually damaged. Not only that, but buying an infringing work is not illegal in Israel. I'm fairly sure that is

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-26 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Aug 26, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Oron Peled wrote: Now try to convince a judge that publishing in some manufacturer's web-site is equivalent to this. That's an interesting point. What exactly would you sue for? In Israel you can only claim damages equal to the amount you were a

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-26 Thread Oron Peled
On Wednesday, 25 בAugust 2010 23:39:43 geoffrey mendelson wrote: > As far as I know the manufacturer of the box has to publish the code, > not the OEM or importer, who just sticks their name on it.If they have > a site in China in Chinese, with no other languages, with the code > available fo

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-25 Thread Geoff Shang
Hi, Thanks for the translations. Interesting and worthwhile, though I agree that it doesn't exactly answer Geoffrey's question. Geoff. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-25 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Aug 25, 2010, at 11:36 PM, shimi wrote: He messed with the firmware of the DVB-T receiver box and found out it's made of lots of FOSS software inside: Linux, BusyBox, gstreamer and more. He couldn't find the source code for all their GPL changes, and he is willing to attempt to get i

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-25 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Aug 25, 2010, at 11:18 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Lior Kaplan wrote: http://www.doom.co.il/blog/?p=333 Any chance of a quick executive summary for us Hebrew impaired? I had to use google translate, so it may not be completely accurate. He bought a digital TV decoder

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-25 Thread shimi
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Lior Kaplan wrote: > > http://www.doom.co.il/blog/?p=333 >> > > Any chance of a quick executive summary for us Hebrew impaired? > > He messed with the firmware of the DVB-T receiver box and found out it's made of lots of

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-25 Thread Geoff Shang
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Lior Kaplan wrote: http://www.doom.co.il/blog/?p=333 Any chance of a quick executive summary for us Hebrew impaired? Geoff. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-i

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-25 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Aug 25, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Tomer Cohen wrote: I'm not sure if Elad was talking about USB stick but a full featured tuner box. I'm not sure I had to read it via Google Translate, but I think you are right. As for usb sticks, It worth reading the planet, and especially Guy Sheffer's b

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-25 Thread Tomer Cohen
I'm not sure if Elad was talking about USB stick but a full featured tuner box. As for usb sticks, It worth reading the planet, and especially Guy Sheffer's blog post - http://www.guysoft.co.il/2009/08/31/dvb-t/ 2010/8/25 Lior Kaplan > It is worth reading http://planet.foss.org.il. This was publ

Re: Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-25 Thread Lior Kaplan
It is worth reading http://planet.foss.org.il. This was published today: http://www.doom.co.il/blog/?p=333 On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:58 PM, geoffrey mendelson < geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Subject says it all. > > Has anyone been able to buy a DVD-T (digital TV receiver) USB stick IN >

Monthly waste of time :-) Has anyone been able to buy a Digital TV USB stick in Israel and get it to work under Linux?

2010-08-25 Thread geoffrey mendelson
Subject says it all. Has anyone been able to buy a DVD-T (digital TV receiver) USB stick IN ISRAEL and get it to work under Linux? You can guess what I think of the likelyhood of it happening. :-( With less than six months left it may be a problem Thanks in advance, Geoff. -- G