Re: platform for number crunching---resume

2010-06-20 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010, Shimon Panfil wrote about "platform for number crunching---resume": > b) nobody provides example of heavy *numerical* load without > overheating, kernel compilation for example is not relevant becouse > AFAIK compiler does not use floating point cal

Re: platform for number crunching---resume

2010-06-20 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Jun 20, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Meir Michanie wrote: There is always another option,... one other option would be to underclock your CPUs and then even when they hit the 100% usage over long periods as it is running at lower speed, it wouldn't heat that much. The problem with that is the

Re: platform for number crunching---resume

2010-06-20 Thread Meir Michanie
There is always another option,... one other option would be to underclock your CPUs and then even when they hit the 100% usage over long periods as it is running at lower speed, it wouldn't heat that much. On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Shimon Panfil wrote: > Many thanks for everybody who ans

platform for number crunching---resume

2010-06-19 Thread Shimon Panfil
Many thanks for everybody who answered my question. Short resume is following: 1. x86_64 is really the only affordable platform( sure it depends on definition of "affordable" but anyway people got it right); 2. Good idea is cleaning off the dust from the box and check thermal paste; 3. Is the

Re: platform for number crunching

2010-06-17 Thread Dan Bar Dov
How a simple good question can turn into a long debate. I think you need to study your needs along with the current technology. Modern processors will not burn - they will reduce power consumption when they overheat. Also, modern CPUs utilize less power. There are new multicores that go as low to

Re: platform for number crunching

2010-06-17 Thread Micha Feigin
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:38:59 +0300 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Shimon Panfil > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > I'm looking for affordable workstation for heavy number crunching, not > > > > W

Re: platform for number crunching

2010-06-16 Thread Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Shimon Panfil > wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > I'm looking for affordable workstation for heavy number crunching, not > > What's "affordable" and what is "heavy number crunching"? > > For most large-scale sc

Re: platform for number crunching

2010-06-16 Thread Micha Feigin
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:42:53 +0300 Shlomi Fish wrote: > On Wednesday 16 Jun 2010 16:29:58 Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Shimon Panfil > wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > I'm looking for affordable workstation for heavy number crunching, not > > > > What's "affordable"

Re: platform for number crunching

2010-06-16 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 16 Jun 2010 20:09:27 Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > We should not support hang-vidia > > Hmm... How often did it hang on you to deserve the disparaging moniker? > Quite a few times. Back at the time when I had an nvidia card (GeForce 4 MX AGP), I noticed that: 1. The "open-source" (wr

Re: platform for number crunching

2010-06-16 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
> We should not support hang-vidia Hmm... How often did it hang on you to deserve the disparaging moniker? I understand that you may dislike the fact that the good, fast drivers NVIDIA provide for Linux are proprietary, and the open source drivers suck in comparison. Is it a good reason to dispar

Re: platform for number crunching

2010-06-16 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 16 Jun 2010 16:29:58 Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Shimon Panfil wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I'm looking for affordable workstation for heavy number crunching, not > > What's "affordable" and what is "heavy number crunching"? > > For most large-scale scient

Re: platform for number crunching

2010-06-16 Thread Michael Tewner
Hi Shimon - I would like to point out that (as Nadav did already) that perhaps (if this is early enough in the development cycle), a GPU might be a good choice. Even your *current* off-the-shelf graphics card might be "faster" that your 4-core CPU for certain types of computations. For only a few

Re: platform for number crunching

2010-06-16 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Shimon Panfil wrote: > > Hi folks, > I'm looking for affordable workstation for heavy number crunching, not What's "affordable" and what is "heavy number crunching"? For most large-scale scientific/engineering number-crunching physical parallelism (multiple CPUs/

Re: platform for number crunching

2010-06-16 Thread Alon Barzilai
Hi, IMHO, the 4 core (or 4/8 core) is what you need. what you describe should not happen. If the system in under warranty, use it. if not there are several options: if the system is old replacing the thermal paste between the processor and the heat sink might help. when the thermal paste is ol

Re: platform for number crunching

2010-06-16 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010, Shimon Panfil wrote about "platform for number crunching": > > Hi folks, > I'm looking for affordable workstation for heavy number crunching, not > x86-64 multicore. It is possible that x86-64 is not the "ultimate" platform for numb

Re: platform for number crunching

2010-06-16 Thread shimi
Just get a well cooled case. Opening the case is NOT a good idea. The Airflow will not be as good as a well planned computer case that is designed for a good air flow, plus you enjoy all the dust into your computer (dust also disturbs proper airflow). If money is not an issue (and I really mean no

Re: platform for number crunching

2010-06-16 Thread Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
Hi Shimon 1. I have a feeling you will anyway need to improve the fans/replace the box to a larger one (much more effective than air conditioning). 2. I suggest asking in gamers forums, those who overclock their machines. However, the first thing they do is open the box's sides (for better air fl

platform for number crunching

2010-06-16 Thread Shimon Panfil
Hi folks, I'm looking for affordable workstation for heavy number crunching, not x86-64 multicore. It seems that multicore systems have problems with cooling (physically it is pretty clear). My current amd-64 4-core machine works fine only if less than 2 cores have 100% load. Rougly 2*100