Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-25 Thread Chris Mason
On Friday, May 25, 2001 09:21:42 AM -0700 Hans Reiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, our policy is strictly in sync with and reflective of that of the > rest of the linux-kernel. Since the ac series has a different policy, we > can be different in regards to the ac series. Not really, our

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-25 Thread Chris Mason
On Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:16:58 PM +0100 Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> IMHO we are not that deep into code freeze anymore. Freevxfs got added >> in linux-2.4.5-pre*, so I think that a patch that adds a useful feature >> like badblock support would be OK. > > FreeVxFS changes

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-25 Thread Juan Quintela
> "erik" == Erik Mouw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: erik> On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:53:45AM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: >> No, reiserfs does have badblock support >> >> You just have to get it as a separate patch from us because it was >> written after code freeze. erik> IMHO we are not

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-25 Thread Juan Quintela
erik == Erik Mouw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: erik On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:53:45AM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: No, reiserfs does have badblock support You just have to get it as a separate patch from us because it was written after code freeze. erik IMHO we are not that deep into code

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-25 Thread Chris Mason
On Friday, May 25, 2001 09:21:42 AM -0700 Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, our policy is strictly in sync with and reflective of that of the rest of the linux-kernel. Since the ac series has a different policy, we can be different in regards to the ac series. Not really, our

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-25 Thread Chris Mason
On Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:16:58 PM +0100 Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO we are not that deep into code freeze anymore. Freevxfs got added in linux-2.4.5-pre*, so I think that a patch that adds a useful feature like badblock support would be OK. FreeVxFS changes precisely

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Alan Cox
> IMHO we are not that deep into code freeze anymore. Freevxfs got added > in linux-2.4.5-pre*, so I think that a patch that adds a useful feature > like badblock support would be OK. FreeVxFS changes precisely nothing in the behaviour of any other fs - its like adding a new driver. Updating

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread monkeyiq
Hans Reiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > No, reiserfs does have badblock support > > You just have to get it as a separate patch from us because it was written after > code freeze. > > Hans > It might be nice to have a link to that patch from the "download" page. I didn't see that

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Hans Reiser
Erik Mouw wrote: > > On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:53:45AM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: > > No, reiserfs does have badblock support > > > > You just have to get it as a separate patch from us because it was > > written after code freeze. > > IMHO we are not that deep into code freeze anymore.

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Hans Reiser
J Sloan wrote: > > Excellent! > > Will this be in resierfs 4.0 then? > > cu > > jjs > > Hans Reiser schrieb: > > > No, reiserfs does have badblock support > > > > You just have to get it as a separate patch from us because it was written after > > code freeze. No, version 4 won't ship

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Erik Mouw
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:53:45AM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: > No, reiserfs does have badblock support > > You just have to get it as a separate patch from us because it was > written after code freeze. IMHO we are not that deep into code freeze anymore. Freevxfs got added in

RE: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Cress, Andrew R
>At 12:19 PM +0200 2001-05-24, Jens Axboe wrote: >>In fact you will typically only see an I/O error if the drive _can't_ >>remap the sector anymore, because it has run out. No point in reporting >>a condition that was recovered. >> >>I'd still say, that if you get bad block errors reported from

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread David Rees
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:53:45AM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: > > No, reiserfs does have badblock support > > You just have to get it as a separate patch from us because it was written after > code freeze. Any chance that you'll be putting them on www.namesys.com for easy download? -Dave -

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Hans Reiser
Andi Kleen wrote: > > On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 12:58:14AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: > > Well reiserfs is probably a very bad choice at this point. It > > does not have any bad blocks support (yet), so as soon as you have > > a bad block you are stuck. > > reiserfs doesn't, but the HD usually

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Jonathan Lundell
At 5:56 PM +0200 2001-05-24, Andi Kleen wrote: >On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 08:50:04AM -0700, Jonathan Lundell wrote: > > At 10:31 AM +0200 2001-05-24, Andi Kleen wrote: >> >reiserfs doesn't, but the HD usually has transparently in its firmware. >> >So it hits a bad block; you see an IO error and

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Andi Kleen
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 08:50:04AM -0700, Jonathan Lundell wrote: > At 10:31 AM +0200 2001-05-24, Andi Kleen wrote: > >reiserfs doesn't, but the HD usually has transparently in its firmware. > >So it hits a bad block; you see an IO error and the next time you hit > >the block the firmware has

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Jonathan Lundell
At 12:19 PM +0200 2001-05-24, Jens Axboe wrote: >In fact you will typically only see an I/O error if the drive _can't_ >remap the sector anymore, because it has run out. No point in reporting >a condition that was recovered. > >I'd still say, that if you get bad block errors reported from your

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Jonathan Lundell
At 10:31 AM +0200 2001-05-24, Andi Kleen wrote: >reiserfs doesn't, but the HD usually has transparently in its firmware. >So it hits a bad block; you see an IO error and the next time you hit >the block the firmware has mapped in a fresh one from its internal >reserves. Drives have remapping

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread monkeyiq
Jens Axboe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, May 24 2001, Andi Kleen wrote: > > On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 12:58:14AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: > > > Well reiserfs is probably a very bad choice at this point. It > > > does not have any bad blocks support (yet), so as soon as you have > > >

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Jens Axboe
On Thu, May 24 2001, Andi Kleen wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 12:58:14AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: > > Well reiserfs is probably a very bad choice at this point. It > > does not have any bad blocks support (yet), so as soon as you have > > a bad block you are stuck. > > reiserfs doesn't,

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Andi Kleen
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 12:58:14AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: > Well reiserfs is probably a very bad choice at this point. It > does not have any bad blocks support (yet), so as soon as you have > a bad block you are stuck. reiserfs doesn't, but the HD usually has transparently in its

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Andreas Dilger
It was written: > To keep it short and sweet, I have a 45Gb IBM drive that > is slowly dying by getting more bad sectors. I have already > returned my first one to get the current disk, so would like > to use the current one for a while before returning it for > another disk that will prolly

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Andreas Dilger
It was written: To keep it short and sweet, I have a 45Gb IBM drive that is slowly dying by getting more bad sectors. I have already returned my first one to get the current disk, so would like to use the current one for a while before returning it for another disk that will prolly just

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Andi Kleen
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 12:58:14AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: Well reiserfs is probably a very bad choice at this point. It does not have any bad blocks support (yet), so as soon as you have a bad block you are stuck. reiserfs doesn't, but the HD usually has transparently in its firmware.

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Jens Axboe
On Thu, May 24 2001, Andi Kleen wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 12:58:14AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: Well reiserfs is probably a very bad choice at this point. It does not have any bad blocks support (yet), so as soon as you have a bad block you are stuck. reiserfs doesn't, but the

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread monkeyiq
Jens Axboe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, May 24 2001, Andi Kleen wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 12:58:14AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: Well reiserfs is probably a very bad choice at this point. It does not have any bad blocks support (yet), so as soon as you have a bad block

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Jonathan Lundell
At 12:19 PM +0200 2001-05-24, Jens Axboe wrote: In fact you will typically only see an I/O error if the drive _can't_ remap the sector anymore, because it has run out. No point in reporting a condition that was recovered. I'd still say, that if you get bad block errors reported from your disk

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Jonathan Lundell
At 10:31 AM +0200 2001-05-24, Andi Kleen wrote: reiserfs doesn't, but the HD usually has transparently in its firmware. So it hits a bad block; you see an IO error and the next time you hit the block the firmware has mapped in a fresh one from its internal reserves. Drives have remapping

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Andi Kleen
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 08:50:04AM -0700, Jonathan Lundell wrote: At 10:31 AM +0200 2001-05-24, Andi Kleen wrote: reiserfs doesn't, but the HD usually has transparently in its firmware. So it hits a bad block; you see an IO error and the next time you hit the block the firmware has mapped in

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Jonathan Lundell
At 5:56 PM +0200 2001-05-24, Andi Kleen wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 08:50:04AM -0700, Jonathan Lundell wrote: At 10:31 AM +0200 2001-05-24, Andi Kleen wrote: reiserfs doesn't, but the HD usually has transparently in its firmware. So it hits a bad block; you see an IO error and the next

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Hans Reiser
Andi Kleen wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 12:58:14AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: Well reiserfs is probably a very bad choice at this point. It does not have any bad blocks support (yet), so as soon as you have a bad block you are stuck. reiserfs doesn't, but the HD usually has

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread David Rees
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:53:45AM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: No, reiserfs does have badblock support You just have to get it as a separate patch from us because it was written after code freeze. Any chance that you'll be putting them on www.namesys.com for easy download? -Dave - To

RE: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Cress, Andrew R
At 12:19 PM +0200 2001-05-24, Jens Axboe wrote: In fact you will typically only see an I/O error if the drive _can't_ remap the sector anymore, because it has run out. No point in reporting a condition that was recovered. I'd still say, that if you get bad block errors reported from your disk

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Erik Mouw
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:53:45AM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: No, reiserfs does have badblock support You just have to get it as a separate patch from us because it was written after code freeze. IMHO we are not that deep into code freeze anymore. Freevxfs got added in linux-2.4.5-pre*,

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Hans Reiser
J Sloan wrote: Excellent! Will this be in resierfs 4.0 then? cu jjs Hans Reiser schrieb: No, reiserfs does have badblock support You just have to get it as a separate patch from us because it was written after code freeze. No, version 4 won't ship until september

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Hans Reiser
Erik Mouw wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:53:45AM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: No, reiserfs does have badblock support You just have to get it as a separate patch from us because it was written after code freeze. IMHO we are not that deep into code freeze anymore. Freevxfs got

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread monkeyiq
Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, reiserfs does have badblock support You just have to get it as a separate patch from us because it was written after code freeze. Hans It might be nice to have a link to that patch from the download page. I didn't see that patch the

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-24 Thread Alan Cox
IMHO we are not that deep into code freeze anymore. Freevxfs got added in linux-2.4.5-pre*, so I think that a patch that adds a useful feature like badblock support would be OK. FreeVxFS changes precisely nothing in the behaviour of any other fs - its like adding a new driver. Updating

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-23 Thread Hans Reiser
monkeyiq wrote: > > Hi, > Could I please be CC'd replies. > > To keep it short and sweet, I have a 45Gb IBM drive that > is slowly dying by getting more bad sectors. I have already > returned my first one to get the current disk, so would like > to use the current one for a while before

Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-23 Thread monkeyiq
Hi, Could I please be CC'd replies. To keep it short and sweet, I have a 45Gb IBM drive that is slowly dying by getting more bad sectors. I have already returned my first one to get the current disk, so would like to use the current one for a while before returning it for another disk that

Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-23 Thread monkeyiq
Hi, Could I please be CC'd replies. To keep it short and sweet, I have a 45Gb IBM drive that is slowly dying by getting more bad sectors. I have already returned my first one to get the current disk, so would like to use the current one for a while before returning it for another disk that

Re: Dying disk and filesystem choice.

2001-05-23 Thread Hans Reiser
monkeyiq wrote: Hi, Could I please be CC'd replies. To keep it short and sweet, I have a 45Gb IBM drive that is slowly dying by getting more bad sectors. I have already returned my first one to get the current disk, so would like to use the current one for a while before returning