Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-09-01 Thread Tony Lindgren
* Tony Lindgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050831 16:21]: > * Srivatsa Vaddagiri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050831 14:20]: > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 04:47:05PM +0530, Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 01:03:05PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > > > that sounds like a fundamental

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-09-01 Thread Tony Lindgren
* Tony Lindgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050831 16:21]: * Srivatsa Vaddagiri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050831 14:20]: On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 04:47:05PM +0530, Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 01:03:05PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: that sounds like a fundamental issue that really

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Christopher Friesen
Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote: On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 10:43:45PM +, Christopher Friesen wrote: Last time I got interested in this, the management of the event queues was still a fairly major performance hit. Hmm ..I dont see any event queues being managed by dyn-tick patch. Are you referring

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Srivatsa Vaddagiri
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 10:43:45PM +, Christopher Friesen wrote: > Last time I got interested in this, the management of the event queues > was still a fairly major performance hit. > > Has this overhead been brought down to reasonable levels? Hmm ..I dont see any event queues being managed

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Tony Lindgren
* Srivatsa Vaddagiri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050831 14:20]: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 04:47:05PM +0530, Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 01:03:05PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > > that sounds like a fundamental issue that really needs to be fixed > > > first! > > > > It

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Srivatsa Vaddagiri
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 04:47:05PM +0530, Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 01:03:05PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > that sounds like a fundamental issue that really needs to be fixed > > first! > > It should be fixed by the patch here: >

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Srivatsa Vaddagiri
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 01:03:05PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > that sounds like a fundamental issue that really needs to be fixed > first! It should be fixed by the patch here: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel=111556608901657=2 Tony, I don't see any slow bootups on x86

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Arjan van de Ven
> > ehh > > why does it cause slow boots? > > if that kind of behavior changes... isn't that a sign there is a > > fundamental bug still ? > > Well it seems like the next_timer_interrupt is something like 400 > jiffies away and RCU code waits for completion for example in the > network code.

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Srivatsa Vaddagiri
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 01:34:03PM +0300, Tony Lindgren wrote: > Well it seems like the next_timer_interrupt is something like 400 > jiffies away and RCU code waits for completion for example in the > network code. I had a patch to fix the problem of "RCU grace period extended because of

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Tony Lindgren
* Arjan van de Ven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050831 11:40]: > On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 10:44 +0300, Tony Lindgren wrote: > > * Alistair John Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050830 18:57]: > > > On Tuesday 30 August 2005 13:31, Tony Lindgren wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > Same issue, it's waiting on

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 10:44 +0300, Tony Lindgren wrote: > * Alistair John Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050830 18:57]: > > On Tuesday 30 August 2005 13:31, Tony Lindgren wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > > > > Same issue, it's waiting on dynticks before being reworked. > > > > > > Also one more minor

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Tony Lindgren
* Alistair John Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050830 18:57]: > On Tuesday 30 August 2005 13:31, Tony Lindgren wrote: > [snip] > > > > > > Same issue, it's waiting on dynticks before being reworked. > > > > Also one more minor issue; Dyntick can cause slow boots with dyntick > > enabled from boot

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Tony Lindgren
* Alistair John Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050830 18:57]: On Tuesday 30 August 2005 13:31, Tony Lindgren wrote: [snip] Same issue, it's waiting on dynticks before being reworked. Also one more minor issue; Dyntick can cause slow boots with dyntick enabled from boot because the

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 10:44 +0300, Tony Lindgren wrote: * Alistair John Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050830 18:57]: On Tuesday 30 August 2005 13:31, Tony Lindgren wrote: [snip] Same issue, it's waiting on dynticks before being reworked. Also one more minor issue; Dyntick can

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Tony Lindgren
* Arjan van de Ven [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050831 11:40]: On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 10:44 +0300, Tony Lindgren wrote: * Alistair John Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050830 18:57]: On Tuesday 30 August 2005 13:31, Tony Lindgren wrote: [snip] Same issue, it's waiting on dynticks before being

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Srivatsa Vaddagiri
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 01:34:03PM +0300, Tony Lindgren wrote: Well it seems like the next_timer_interrupt is something like 400 jiffies away and RCU code waits for completion for example in the network code. I had a patch to fix the problem of RCU grace period extended because of sleeping

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Arjan van de Ven
ehh why does it cause slow boots? if that kind of behavior changes... isn't that a sign there is a fundamental bug still ? Well it seems like the next_timer_interrupt is something like 400 jiffies away and RCU code waits for completion for example in the network code. that sounds

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Srivatsa Vaddagiri
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 01:03:05PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: that sounds like a fundamental issue that really needs to be fixed first! It should be fixed by the patch here: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernelm=111556608901657w=2 Tony, I don't see any slow bootups on x86

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Srivatsa Vaddagiri
On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 04:47:05PM +0530, Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 01:03:05PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: that sounds like a fundamental issue that really needs to be fixed first! It should be fixed by the patch here:

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Tony Lindgren
* Srivatsa Vaddagiri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050831 14:20]: On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 04:47:05PM +0530, Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 01:03:05PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote: that sounds like a fundamental issue that really needs to be fixed first! It should be fixed by

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Srivatsa Vaddagiri
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 10:43:45PM +, Christopher Friesen wrote: Last time I got interested in this, the management of the event queues was still a fairly major performance hit. Has this overhead been brought down to reasonable levels? Hmm ..I dont see any event queues being managed by

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-31 Thread Christopher Friesen
Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote: On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 10:43:45PM +, Christopher Friesen wrote: Last time I got interested in this, the management of the event queues was still a fairly major performance hit. Hmm ..I dont see any event queues being managed by dyn-tick patch. Are you referring

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-30 Thread Alistair John Strachan
On Tuesday 30 August 2005 13:31, Tony Lindgren wrote: [snip] > > > > Same issue, it's waiting on dynticks before being reworked. > > Also one more minor issue; Dyntick can cause slow boots with dyntick > enabled from boot because the there's not much in the timer queue > until init. > > This

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-30 Thread Tony Lindgren
* Con Kolivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050830 06:47]: > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:54 pm, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:05:06AM +1000, Con Kolivas wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:42, Christopher Friesen wrote: > > > > Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > The controversy over the

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-30 Thread Tony Lindgren
* Con Kolivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050830 06:47]: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:54 pm, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:05:06AM +1000, Con Kolivas wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:42, Christopher Friesen wrote: Lee Revell wrote: The controversy over the introduction of CONFIG_HZ

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-30 Thread Alistair John Strachan
On Tuesday 30 August 2005 13:31, Tony Lindgren wrote: [snip] Same issue, it's waiting on dynticks before being reworked. Also one more minor issue; Dyntick can cause slow boots with dyntick enabled from boot because the there's not much in the timer queue until init. This probably does

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-29 Thread Con Kolivas
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:54 pm, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:05:06AM +1000, Con Kolivas wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:42, Christopher Friesen wrote: > > > Lee Revell wrote: > > > > The controversy over the introduction of CONFIG_HZ demonstrated the > > > > urgency of getting

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-29 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:05:06AM +1000, Con Kolivas wrote: > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:42, Christopher Friesen wrote: > > Lee Revell wrote: > > > The controversy over the introduction of CONFIG_HZ demonstrated the > > > urgency of getting a dynamic tick solution merged before 2.6.14. > > > > > >

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-29 Thread Con Kolivas
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:42, Christopher Friesen wrote: > Lee Revell wrote: > > The controversy over the introduction of CONFIG_HZ demonstrated the > > urgency of getting a dynamic tick solution merged before 2.6.14. > > > > Anyone care to give a status report? Con, do you feel that the last > >

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-29 Thread Christopher Friesen
Lee Revell wrote: The controversy over the introduction of CONFIG_HZ demonstrated the urgency of getting a dynamic tick solution merged before 2.6.14. Anyone care to give a status report? Con, do you feel that the last version you posted is ready to go in? Last time I got interested in this,

Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-29 Thread Lee Revell
The controversy over the introduction of CONFIG_HZ demonstrated the urgency of getting a dynamic tick solution merged before 2.6.14. Anyone care to give a status report? Con, do you feel that the last version you posted is ready to go in? Lee - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line

Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-29 Thread Lee Revell
The controversy over the introduction of CONFIG_HZ demonstrated the urgency of getting a dynamic tick solution merged before 2.6.14. Anyone care to give a status report? Con, do you feel that the last version you posted is ready to go in? Lee - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-29 Thread Christopher Friesen
Lee Revell wrote: The controversy over the introduction of CONFIG_HZ demonstrated the urgency of getting a dynamic tick solution merged before 2.6.14. Anyone care to give a status report? Con, do you feel that the last version you posted is ready to go in? Last time I got interested in this,

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-29 Thread Con Kolivas
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:42, Christopher Friesen wrote: Lee Revell wrote: The controversy over the introduction of CONFIG_HZ demonstrated the urgency of getting a dynamic tick solution merged before 2.6.14. Anyone care to give a status report? Con, do you feel that the last version you

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-29 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:05:06AM +1000, Con Kolivas wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:42, Christopher Friesen wrote: Lee Revell wrote: The controversy over the introduction of CONFIG_HZ demonstrated the urgency of getting a dynamic tick solution merged before 2.6.14. Anyone care to

Re: Dynamic tick for 2.6.14 - what's the plan?

2005-08-29 Thread Con Kolivas
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:54 pm, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:05:06AM +1000, Con Kolivas wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:42, Christopher Friesen wrote: Lee Revell wrote: The controversy over the introduction of CONFIG_HZ demonstrated the urgency of getting a dynamic