Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-07-02 Thread Juan Quintela
> "rob" == Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: rob> On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: >> Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > Ummm... GEM was the Geos stuff? (Yeah I remember it, I haven't >> > researched it yet though...) >> >> GEM was a gui from

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-07-02 Thread Juan Quintela
rob == Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: rob On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ummm... GEM was the Geos stuff? (Yeah I remember it, I haven't researched it yet though...) GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe.

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-28 Thread Thomas Dodd
Kai Henningsen wrote: > No. GEM, I believe, originally came from CP/M. Most popular as the > windowing system of the Atari ST; given that someone did a quick-hack MS- > DOS clone to support it on the 68K, it seems fairly obvious that by that > time, it had already been ported to MS-DOS. (GEM-DOS

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-28 Thread Thomas Dodd
Kai Henningsen wrote: No. GEM, I believe, originally came from CP/M. Most popular as the windowing system of the Atari ST; given that someone did a quick-hack MS- DOS clone to support it on the 68K, it seems fairly obvious that by that time, it had already been ported to MS-DOS. (GEM-DOS is

[OT] Re: [comphist] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-27 Thread Guest section DW
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 08:26:55AM -0500, Jesse Pollard wrote: > a DF-32 for PDP 8 systems with 32 K bytes of disk space 32768 13-bit words (12-bit plus parity) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-27 Thread Peter De Schrijver
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 10:09:41AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Michael Meissner wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 11:16:27AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: > > > The AS400 seems to be based out of Austin. We hear a lot about it around > > > here... > > > > Ummm, the

Re: [comphist] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-27 Thread Jesse Pollard
Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Monday 25 June 2001 16:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... > > I learnt my computing on a PDP8/E with papertape punch/reader, RALF, > > Fortran II, then later 2.4Mb removable cartridges (RK05 I think). toggling > > in the bootstrap improved your concentration.

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-27 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Michael Meissner wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 11:16:27AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: > > The AS400 seems to be based out of Austin. We hear a lot about it around > > here... > > Ummm, the AS/400 was based out of Rochester, Minnesota at least initially. It > was the

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-27 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Michael Meissner wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 11:16:27AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: The AS400 seems to be based out of Austin. We hear a lot about it around here... Ummm, the AS/400 was based out of Rochester, Minnesota at least initially. It was the follow to

Re: [comphist] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-27 Thread Jesse Pollard
Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 25 June 2001 16:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I learnt my computing on a PDP8/E with papertape punch/reader, RALF, Fortran II, then later 2.4Mb removable cartridges (RK05 I think). toggling in the bootstrap improved your concentration. Much

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-27 Thread Peter De Schrijver
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 10:09:41AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Michael Meissner wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 11:16:27AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: The AS400 seems to be based out of Austin. We hear a lot about it around here... Ummm, the AS/400 was based

[OT] Re: [comphist] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-27 Thread Guest section DW
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 08:26:55AM -0500, Jesse Pollard wrote: a DF-32 for PDP 8 systems with 32 K bytes of disk space 32768 13-bit words (12-bit plus parity) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Steve Underwood
Rob Landley wrote: > > On Monday 25 June 2001 11:13, you wrote: > > > 1937 claude shannon A Symbolic Analysis of Relay and Switching Circuits," > > > > 1948 claude shannon A mathematical theory of information. > > > > without those you're kind in trouble on the computing front... > > Yeah, I

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Rob Landley
On Tuesday 26 June 2001 12:15, Daniel Phillips wrote: > On Tuesday 26 June 2001 17:15, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Jocelyn Mayer wrote: > > > > you get DR-DOS = Digital Research DOS, then you get Novell DOS, then > > you get Caldera OpenDOS, currently opendos is owned by lineo >

Re: Fwd: Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Rob Landley
t on the linux-kernel list but a friend forwarded me this message: > > Subject: Re: Microsoft and Xenix. > > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:11:01 +0100 (BST) > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I first used Unix on a PDP11/44 whilst studying for my Computer > >

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Michael Meissner
On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 11:16:27AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: > On Monday 25 June 2001 15:23, Kai Henningsen wrote: > > > The AS/400 is still going strong. It's a virtual machine based on a > > relational database (among other things), mostly programmed in COBOL (I > > think the C compiler has

Re: [comphist] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Michael Meissner
On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 10:44:53AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: > Okay, so they're 2.4 megabyte removable cartridges? How big? Are they tapes > or disk packs? (I.E. can you run off of them or are they just storage?) I > know lots of early copies of unix were sent out from Bell Labs on RK05 >

Re: [comphist] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Alan Cox
There seems to be a bug in the mail routing again. It may be related to the recent problem with ditto copier history outbreaks on Linux S/390 and the infamous 'pdp-11 memory subsystem' article routing bug that plagued comp.os.minix once. In the meantime can people check that their mailer hasnt

Re: [comphist] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Jonathan Lundell
At 10:44 AM -0400 2001-06-26, Rob Landley wrote: >"A quarter century of unix" mentions RK05 cartridges several times, but never >says much ABOUT them. > >Okay, so they're 2.4 megabyte removable cartridges? How big? Are they tapes >or disk packs? (I.E. can you run off of them or are they just

Re: [comphist] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Rob Landley
On Monday 25 June 2001 16:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi again, > > > > some old brain-cells got excited with the "good-ol-days" and other names > have surfaced like "Superbrain","Sirius" and "Apricot".Sirius was Victor in > the USA. If you go done the so-called IBM compatible route then the

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Rob Landley
On Monday 25 June 2001 15:23, Kai Henningsen wrote: > The AS/400 is still going strong. It's a virtual machine based on a > relational database (among other things), mostly programmed in COBOL (I > think the C compiler has sizeof(void*) == 16 or something like that, so > you can put a database

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Tuesday 26 June 2001 17:15, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Jocelyn Mayer wrote: > > you get DR-DOS = Digital Research DOS, then you get Novell DOS, then > you get Caldera OpenDOS, currently opendos is owned by lineo Yes, and the source actually was open for a short time when

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Jocelyn Mayer wrote: you get DR-DOS = Digital Research DOS, then you get Novell DOS, then you get Caldera OpenDOS, currently opendos is owned by lineo > I think I remember that DR-DOS was the name that Caldera > gave to the Digital Research OS, previously known as GEMDOS,

Re: Fwd: Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
Ah, fame at last :-) I'm not on the linux-kernel list but a friend forwarded me this message: > Subject: Re: Microsoft and Xenix. > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:11:01 +0100 (BST) > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I first used Unix on a PDP11/44 whilst studying for my Computer >

Re: Fwd: Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
Ah, fame at last :-) I'm not on the linux-kernel list but a friend forwarded me this message: Subject: Re: Microsoft and Xenix. Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:11:01 +0100 (BST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I first used Unix on a PDP11/44 whilst studying for my Computer Engineering degree

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Jocelyn Mayer wrote: you get DR-DOS = Digital Research DOS, then you get Novell DOS, then you get Caldera OpenDOS, currently opendos is owned by lineo I think I remember that DR-DOS was the name that Caldera gave to the Digital Research OS, previously known as GEMDOS,

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Tuesday 26 June 2001 17:15, Joel Jaeggli wrote: On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Jocelyn Mayer wrote: you get DR-DOS = Digital Research DOS, then you get Novell DOS, then you get Caldera OpenDOS, currently opendos is owned by lineo Yes, and the source actually was open for a short time when Caldera

Re: [comphist] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Rob Landley
On Monday 25 June 2001 16:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi again, some old brain-cells got excited with the good-ol-days and other names have surfaced like Superbrain,Sirius and Apricot.Sirius was Victor in the USA. If you go done the so-called IBM compatible route then the nearly

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Rob Landley
On Monday 25 June 2001 15:23, Kai Henningsen wrote: The AS/400 is still going strong. It's a virtual machine based on a relational database (among other things), mostly programmed in COBOL (I think the C compiler has sizeof(void*) == 16 or something like that, so you can put a database

Re: [comphist] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Jonathan Lundell
At 10:44 AM -0400 2001-06-26, Rob Landley wrote: A quarter century of unix mentions RK05 cartridges several times, but never says much ABOUT them. Okay, so they're 2.4 megabyte removable cartridges? How big? Are they tapes or disk packs? (I.E. can you run off of them or are they just

Re: [comphist] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Michael Meissner
On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 10:44:53AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: Okay, so they're 2.4 megabyte removable cartridges? How big? Are they tapes or disk packs? (I.E. can you run off of them or are they just storage?) I know lots of early copies of unix were sent out from Bell Labs on RK05

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Michael Meissner
On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 11:16:27AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: On Monday 25 June 2001 15:23, Kai Henningsen wrote: The AS/400 is still going strong. It's a virtual machine based on a relational database (among other things), mostly programmed in COBOL (I think the C compiler has

Re: Fwd: Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Rob Landley
forwarded me this message: Subject: Re: Microsoft and Xenix. Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:11:01 +0100 (BST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I first used Unix on a PDP11/44 whilst studying for my Computer Engineering degree at Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh. I think they and Queen Margaret

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Rob Landley
On Tuesday 26 June 2001 12:15, Daniel Phillips wrote: On Tuesday 26 June 2001 17:15, Joel Jaeggli wrote: On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Jocelyn Mayer wrote: you get DR-DOS = Digital Research DOS, then you get Novell DOS, then you get Caldera OpenDOS, currently opendos is owned by lineo Yes, and

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Steve Underwood
Rob Landley wrote: On Monday 25 June 2001 11:13, you wrote: 1937 claude shannon A Symbolic Analysis of Relay and Switching Circuits, 1948 claude shannon A mathematical theory of information. without those you're kind in trouble on the computing front... Yeah, I know I've bumped

Re: [comphist] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-26 Thread Alan Cox
There seems to be a bug in the mail routing again. It may be related to the recent problem with ditto copier history outbreaks on Linux S/390 and the infamous 'pdp-11 memory subsystem' article routing bug that plagued comp.os.minix once. In the meantime can people check that their mailer hasnt

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Jocelyn Mayer
> /> > GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe. / > /> > Geoworks/Geos was a seperate entity. / > /> / > /> Ah, the DR-DOS answer to dosshell/windows. Cool. (I used Dr. Dos > byt never / > /> tried its gui.) / > > Actually I believe GEM predates DR-DOS, and except for being > made by the

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread asmith
Hi again, some old brain-cells got excited with the "good-ol-days" and other names have surfaced like "Superbrain","Sirius" and "Apricot".Sirius was Victor in the USA. If you go done the so-called IBM compatible route then the nearly compatible nightmares will arise and haunt you, your

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Erik Mouw
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 10:17:09AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: > On Monday 25 June 2001 11:13, you wrote: > > 1937 claude shannon A Symbolic Analysis of Relay and Switching Circuits," > > > > 1948 claude shannon A mathematical theory of information. > > > > without those you're kind in trouble on

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Rob Landley
On Monday 25 June 2001 13:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > If you're really keen on old mags and manuals I'll go up to attic and look > around. I know there are old SCO Xenix & TCP/IP, as well as Byte and Dr > Dobbs > Ooh! Yes! Very much so. Thanks, Rob The mailing list for this

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Landley) wrote on 24.06.01 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Now if somebody here could just point me to a decent reference on A/UX - > Apple's mid-80's version of Unix (for the early macintosh, I believe...) http://www.google.com/search?q=%22%2ba/ux%22 Usually a good idea.

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Rob Landley
On Monday 25 June 2001 11:13, you wrote: > 1937 claude shannon A Symbolic Analysis of Relay and Switching Circuits," > > 1948 claude shannon A mathematical theory of information. > > without those you're kind in trouble on the computing front... Yeah, I know I've bumped into that name (and

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Landley) wrote on 23.06.01 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > on April 2, 1987. (models 50, 60, and 80.) The SAA/SNA push also extended > through the System/370 and AS400 stuff too. (I think 370's the mainframe > and AS400 is the minicomputer, but I'd have to look it up. One

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Robert J.Dunlop
Hi, On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 06:27:24PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I first used Unix on a PDP11/44 whilst studying for my Computer Engineering > degree at Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh. I think they and Queen Margaret > College, London were the first folk running Unix version 6

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Wayne . Brown
gt;, "Eric W. Biederman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bcc: Wayne Brown/Corporate/Altec) Subject: Re: Microsoft and Xenix. Hi, I first used Unix on a PDP11/44 whilst studying for my Computer Engineering degree at H

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread asmith
> > > > > Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/24/2001 09:32:43 AM > > Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: Wayne Brown/Corporate/Altec@Altec, John Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread asmith
Hi, I first used Unix on a PDP11/44 whilst studying for my Computer Engineering degree at Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh. I think they and Queen Margaret College, London were the first folk running Unix version 6 outside Bell Labs. If anyone knows where Patrick O'Callaghan is now (ask

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Rob Landley wrote: > On Saturday 23 June 2001 23:07, Mike Castle wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 09:41:29PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Ah, yes, the RT/PC. That brings back some fond memories. My first > > > exposure to Unix was with AIX on the RT. I still

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Rob Landley wrote: On Saturday 23 June 2001 23:07, Mike Castle wrote: On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 09:41:29PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, yes, the RT/PC. That brings back some fond memories. My first exposure to Unix was with AIX on the RT. I still have some

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread asmith
:32:43 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wayne Brown/Corporate/Altec@Altec, John Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsoft and Xenix. On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, yes, the RT/PC. That brings back some fond memories

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread asmith
Hi, I first used Unix on a PDP11/44 whilst studying for my Computer Engineering degree at Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh. I think they and Queen Margaret College, London were the first folk running Unix version 6 outside Bell Labs. If anyone knows where Patrick O'Callaghan is now (ask

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Wayne . Brown
. Biederman [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bcc: Wayne Brown/Corporate/Altec) Subject: Re: Microsoft and Xenix. Hi, I first used Unix on a PDP11/44 whilst studying for my Computer Engineering degree at Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh. I think

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Robert J.Dunlop
Hi, On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 06:27:24PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I first used Unix on a PDP11/44 whilst studying for my Computer Engineering degree at Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh. I think they and Queen Margaret College, London were the first folk running Unix version 6

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Landley) wrote on 23.06.01 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: on April 2, 1987. (models 50, 60, and 80.) The SAA/SNA push also extended through the System/370 and AS400 stuff too. (I think 370's the mainframe and AS400 is the minicomputer, but I'd have to look it up. One of

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Rob Landley
On Monday 25 June 2001 11:13, you wrote: 1937 claude shannon A Symbolic Analysis of Relay and Switching Circuits, 1948 claude shannon A mathematical theory of information. without those you're kind in trouble on the computing front... Yeah, I know I've bumped into that name (and probably

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Landley) wrote on 24.06.01 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now if somebody here could just point me to a decent reference on A/UX - Apple's mid-80's version of Unix (for the early macintosh, I believe...) http://www.google.com/search?q=%22%2ba/ux%22 Usually a good idea.

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Rob Landley
On Monday 25 June 2001 13:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, If you're really keen on old mags and manuals I'll go up to attic and look around. I know there are old SCO Xenix TCP/IP, as well as Byte and Dr Dobbs Ooh! Yes! Very much so. Thanks, Rob The mailing list for this discussion

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Erik Mouw
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 10:17:09AM -0400, Rob Landley wrote: On Monday 25 June 2001 11:13, you wrote: 1937 claude shannon A Symbolic Analysis of Relay and Switching Circuits, 1948 claude shannon A mathematical theory of information. without those you're kind in trouble on the computing

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread asmith
Hi again, some old brain-cells got excited with the good-ol-days and other names have surfaced like Superbrain,Sirius and Apricot.Sirius was Victor in the USA. If you go done the so-called IBM compatible route then the nearly compatible nightmares will arise and haunt you, your lucky if the

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-25 Thread Jocelyn Mayer
/ GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe. / / Geoworks/Geos was a seperate entity. / / / / Ah, the DR-DOS answer to dosshell/windows. Cool. (I used Dr. Dos byt never / / tried its gui.) / Actually I believe GEM predates DR-DOS, and except for being made by the same company I

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 22:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sorry, but I'm hanging on to my old computer manuals. The AIX manuals in > particular have sentimemtal value for me. Entirely undersandable. Would you be willing to xerox any "introduction" or "about" sections? > OTOH, I have quite a

[OT] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 12:20:40AM +0200, Daniel Phillips wrote: > On Sunday 24 June 2001 12:36, Rob Landley wrote: > > On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > > > GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe. > > > Geoworks/Geos was a seperate entity. > > > > Ah, the DR-DOS

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Eric W. Biederman
Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > > Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Ummm... GEM was the Geos stuff? (Yeah I remember it, I haven't > > > researched it yet though...) > > > > GEM was a gui from Digital Research I

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Wayne . Brown
. Wayne Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/24/2001 09:32:43 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wayne Brown/Corporate/Altec@Altec, John Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsoft and Xenix. On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Microsoft and Xenix - Now there's a mailing list for this discussion.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 18:41, Chris Meadors wrote: > Okay, I brushed on GEOS, Microsoft, Xenix, and even Linux. So I'm as on > topic as the rest of this thread. I just have never told my story on l-k, > and this seemed a good place to put a little of it in. :) > > -Chris

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 21:45, Jeff Dike wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > Licklidder wasn't just a bigwig behind arpanet, he also kicked off > > project mac at MIT. > > You're right, but you could at least spell his name right - J. C. R. > Licklider. > > Jeff (who was his last

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread William T Wilson
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Rob Landley wrote: > I know the geos had nothing to do with digital, it started as a > windowing GUI for the commodore 64, if you can believe that... I've actually got a copy, but it's for the Apple // :} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Chris Meadors
st 24, 1995 I would delete Windows from my machine and never use it again. Well I can't say that I have held complete faithful to that vow, but I have had Linux on my machine ever since then. Now my computer is Windows free and has been for a year and a half. Okay, I brushed on GEOS, Microsoft, Xeni

[OT] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Sunday 24 June 2001 12:36, Rob Landley wrote: > On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > > GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe. > > Geoworks/Geos was a seperate entity. > > Ah, the DR-DOS answer to dosshell/windows. Cool. (I used Dr. Dos byt > never tried its

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Ummm... GEM was the Geos stuff? (Yeah I remember it, I haven't > > researched it yet though...) > > GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe. > Geoworks/Geos was a seperate entity. Ah,

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ah, yes, the RT/PC. That brings back some fond memories. My first > exposure to Unix was with AIX on the RT. I still have some of those > weird-sized RT AIX manuals around somewhere... > > Wayne Ooh! Old manuals! Would you be

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 23:07, Mike Castle wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 09:41:29PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Ah, yes, the RT/PC. That brings back some fond memories. My first > > exposure to Unix was with AIX on the RT. I still have some of those > > weird-sized RT AIX manuals

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 20:49, John Adams wrote: > On Saturday 23 June 2001 10:07, Rob Landley wrote: > > Here's what I'm looking for: > > > > AIX was first introduced for the IBM RT/PC in 1986, which came out of the > > early RISC research. It was ported to PS/2 and S/370 by SAA, and was > >

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 20:13, Michael Alan Dorman wrote: > Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > That would be the X version of emacs. And there's the explanation > > for the split between GNU and X emacs: it got forked and the > > closed-source version had a vew years of divergent

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 20:13, Michael Alan Dorman wrote: Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That would be the X version of emacs. And there's the explanation for the split between GNU and X emacs: it got forked and the closed-source version had a vew years of divergent development

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 23:07, Mike Castle wrote: On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 09:41:29PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, yes, the RT/PC. That brings back some fond memories. My first exposure to Unix was with AIX on the RT. I still have some of those weird-sized RT AIX manuals around

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 20:49, John Adams wrote: On Saturday 23 June 2001 10:07, Rob Landley wrote: Here's what I'm looking for: AIX was first introduced for the IBM RT/PC in 1986, which came out of the early RISC research. It was ported to PS/2 and S/370 by SAA, and was based on

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, yes, the RT/PC. That brings back some fond memories. My first exposure to Unix was with AIX on the RT. I still have some of those weird-sized RT AIX manuals around somewhere... Wayne Ooh! Old manuals! Would you be willing to

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ummm... GEM was the Geos stuff? (Yeah I remember it, I haven't researched it yet though...) GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe. Geoworks/Geos was a seperate entity. Ah, the DR-DOS

[OT] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Sunday 24 June 2001 12:36, Rob Landley wrote: On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe. Geoworks/Geos was a seperate entity. Ah, the DR-DOS answer to dosshell/windows. Cool. (I used Dr. Dos byt never tried its gui.) GEM

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Chris Meadors
from my machine and never use it again. Well I can't say that I have held complete faithful to that vow, but I have had Linux on my machine ever since then. Now my computer is Windows free and has been for a year and a half. Okay, I brushed on GEOS, Microsoft, Xenix, and even Linux. So I'm

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread William T Wilson
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Rob Landley wrote: I know the geos had nothing to do with digital, it started as a windowing GUI for the commodore 64, if you can believe that... I've actually got a copy, but it's for the Apple // :} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 21:45, Jeff Dike wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Licklidder wasn't just a bigwig behind arpanet, he also kicked off project mac at MIT. You're right, but you could at least spell his name right - J. C. R. Licklider. Jeff (who was his last

Re: Microsoft and Xenix - Now there's a mailing list for this discussion.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 18:41, Chris Meadors wrote: Okay, I brushed on GEOS, Microsoft, Xenix, and even Linux. So I'm as on topic as the rest of this thread. I just have never told my story on l-k, and this seemed a good place to put a little of it in. :) -Chris I just created a mailing

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Wayne . Brown
. Wayne Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 06/24/2001 09:32:43 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wayne Brown/Corporate/Altec@Altec, John Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsoft and Xenix. On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, yes

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Eric W. Biederman
Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: Rob Landley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ummm... GEM was the Geos stuff? (Yeah I remember it, I haven't researched it yet though...) GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe.

[OT] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 12:20:40AM +0200, Daniel Phillips wrote: On Sunday 24 June 2001 12:36, Rob Landley wrote: On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe. Geoworks/Geos was a seperate entity. Ah, the DR-DOS answer to

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 22:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but I'm hanging on to my old computer manuals. The AIX manuals in particular have sentimemtal value for me. Entirely undersandable. Would you be willing to xerox any introduction or about sections? OTOH, I have quite a few old

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-23 Thread Mike Castle
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 09:41:29PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ah, yes, the RT/PC. That brings back some fond memories. My first exposure to > Unix was with AIX on the RT. I still have some of those weird-sized RT AIX > manuals around somewhere... We always ran AOS on RT's. Actually,

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-23 Thread Wayne . Brown
Wayne Brown/Corporate/Altec) Subject: Re: Microsoft and Xenix. On Saturday 23 June 2001 10:07, Rob Landley wrote: > Here's what I'm looking for: > > AIX was first introduced for the IBM RT/PC in 1986, which came out of the > early RISC research. It was ported to PS/

RE: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-23 Thread Wayne . Brown
ECTED]> on 06/23/2001 12:57:37 PM To: "Alan Chandler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: "Rob Landley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (bcc: Wayne Brown/Corporate/Altec) Subject: RE: Microsoft and Xenix. > I hope the following adds a more dir

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-23 Thread Eric W. Biederman
Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ummm... GEM was the Geos stuff? (Yeah I remember it, I haven't researched > it yet though...) GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe. Geoworks/Geos was a seperate entity. It's been a long time since I looked but they both run fine under

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-23 Thread John Adams
On Saturday 23 June 2001 10:07, Rob Landley wrote: > Here's what I'm looking for: > > AIX was first introduced for the IBM RT/PC in 1986, which came out of the > early RISC research. It was ported to PS/2 and S/370 by SAA, and was > based on unix SVR2. (The book didn't specify whether the

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-23 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That would be the X version of emacs. And there's the explanation > for the split between GNU and X emacs: it got forked and the > closed-source version had a vew years of divergent development > before opening back up, by which point it was very

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-23 Thread Rob Landley
On Friday 22 June 2001 18:41, Alan Chandler wrote: > I am not subscribed to the list, but I scan the archives and saw the > following. Please cc e-mail me in followups. I've had several requests to start a mailing list on this, actually... Might do so in a bit... > I was working (and still

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-23 Thread Rob Landley
ming, and networking which was related to both the user and system level. Then again Unix spun out of porting a flight simulator to the PDP 7. It's not QUITE that black and white...) In any case, gates was on the Xerox side and Allen was on the BTL side. When Allen left microsoft, Xenix followed soo

RE: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-23 Thread Mike Jagdis
> I hope the following adds a more direct perspective on this, as I > was a user at the time. I was _almost_ at university :-). However I do have a first edition of the IBM Xenix Software Development Guide from december 1984. It has '84 IBM copyright and '83 MS copyright. The SCO stuff I have

RE: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-23 Thread Mike Jagdis
I hope the following adds a more direct perspective on this, as I was a user at the time. I was _almost_ at university :-). However I do have a first edition of the IBM Xenix Software Development Guide from december 1984. It has '84 IBM copyright and '83 MS copyright. The SCO stuff I have goes

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-23 Thread Rob Landley
. Then again Unix spun out of porting a flight simulator to the PDP 7. It's not QUITE that black and white...) In any case, gates was on the Xerox side and Allen was on the BTL side. When Allen left microsoft, Xenix followed soon after. (First SCO was helping, then over the next few years the whole

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-23 Thread Rob Landley
On Friday 22 June 2001 18:41, Alan Chandler wrote: I am not subscribed to the list, but I scan the archives and saw the following. Please cc e-mail me in followups. I've had several requests to start a mailing list on this, actually... Might do so in a bit... I was working (and still am)

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