Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-16 Thread Chuck Gelm
Heimo Claasen wrote: > > Chuck - that swapfile: has it to be created anew just before any > prog/app is run ? Or could I just leave it "on" ? A swap file, once created, can be left. However, you will need to restart swap upon each boot. Perhaps a rc.local script command will do. > Well, and

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-16 Thread Heimo Claasen
Chuck - that swapfile: has it to be created anew just before any prog/app is run ? Or could I just leave it "on" ? Well, and then - can I conclude from this that a swap _partition_ is basically used like a file ? (Or else: would programs which need swap create their _specific_ files in a swap part

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-14 Thread Chuck Gelm
Hi, Heimo: I am glad that you saw my 'tongue in cheek' humor. ;-) Heimo Claasen wrote: > > Ok, ok, Chuck - sure "it depends" ;) > (and oops, hwo do I use a swap _file_ instead of the "prescribed" > partition ?) # create and enable a 16 Megabyte swap file dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap bs=1024 cou

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-14 Thread Heimo Claasen
Ok, ok, Chuck - sure "it depends" ;) (and oops, hwo do I use a swap _file_ instead of the "prescribed" partition ?) >From your list, I conclude that it depends on all those six-and-a-half factors, even if I'm not s convinced what for instance, "distro AND version" (on top of the kernel number)

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-13 Thread Chuck Gelm
Dear Heimo: If you will tell the list: EXACTLY which distribution and version of linux and EXACTLY which kernel and EXACTLY which applications you will be using concurrently and EXACTLY what your system's bogo MIPS is and EXACTLY how fast your hard drive is and EXACTLY how much RAM you have and E

RE: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-12 Thread Heimo Claasen
It's still not really clear for my when and if, how much swap space is needed. There had been two opinions in this thread which clearly pointed to none at all - surely qualified, one from own experience re "workstations", the other (and that was the first time I heard about this at all) that swap

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-09 Thread Chuck Gelm
It depends. james miller wrote: > > Let me pose the RAM question in another way to see if it can elicit a > generic, "rule-of-thumb" response this way. If a person uses their > computer as a sort of personal workstation using a fairly recent distro > and requires that it have an Xwindows gui, usi

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-09 Thread Chuck Gelm
It depends. james miller wrote: > > Let me pose the RAM question in another way to see if it can elicit a > generic, "rule-of-thumb" response this way. If a person uses their > computer as a sort of personal workstation using a fairly recent distro > and requires that it have an Xwindows gui, usi

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-09 Thread ichi
Ray Olszewski wrote: > > It's hard for me to think sensibly about what I'd do > on a system with, say, 16 or 32 MB of RAM, because I > can't seriously imagine setting up such a system as a > workstation today You might be surprised at the number of people today trying to install Linux on comp

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-09 Thread ichi
james miller wrote: > > Let me pose the RAM question in another way to see if > it can elicit a generic, "rule-of-thumb" response I'm happy to give you my personal "rule-of-thumb", but that's all it is. It's not an absolute truth. Every system gets at least 16mb of total memory. So, a system

RE: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-09 Thread Ray Olszewski
At 01:22 PM 12/9/02 -0500, james miller wrote: Let me pose the RAM question in another way to see if it can elicit a generic, "rule-of-thumb" response this way. If a person uses their computer as a sort of personal workstation using a fairly recent distro and requires that it have an Xwindows gui,

RE: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-09 Thread james miller
Let me pose the RAM question in another way to see if it can elicit a generic, "rule-of-thumb" response this way. If a person uses their computer as a sort of personal workstation using a fairly recent distro and requires that it have an Xwindows gui, using applications like web browsers, email

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-08 Thread whitnl73
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The latest Slackware (8.1) still provides a low-mem kernel. > However the standard installation scheme is too big to run > in 8mb RAM. The instructions say 16mb RAM is required, > although 12mb is probably enough with the low-mem kernel. > For machine

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-08 Thread Chuck Gelm
Ditto to what Ray said. Perhaps you could run your system with a 'swap file' and see how big it ever gets. Then make a swap partition just that size or a little larger. ;-) My current firewall-router (aDSL to 100 Mb LAN) has 32 megabytes of RAM and has not used any swap memory, AFAICR. Ano

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-08 Thread ichi
Ray Olszewski wrote: > > (only Slackware, I think, still offers a "low memory" > install option) The latest Slackware (8.1) still provides a low-mem kernel. However the standard installation scheme is too big to run in 8mb RAM. The instructions say 16mb RAM is required, although 12mb is probab

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-08 Thread Ray Olszewski
At 01:15 PM 12/8/02 +, Rolf Edlund wrote: Originally to: james niland jn> I know some people who run happily without a swap at all. How low RAM can I use, without running a swap ? Can I for example do it on a 486 with 4 MB RAM ? The way you ask this question, it has no real answer. How

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-07 Thread whitnl73
On 7 Dec 2002, Heimo Claasen wrote: > James - that's quite new to me: > > ... that when your system has a crash it is > > still capable of writing a core dump to the harddisk. > > I understood it hitherto that it's needed for cases when a program needs > more mem than is free and available ? > Or

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-07 Thread Heimo Claasen
James - that's quite new to me: > ... that when your system has a crash it is > still capable of writing a core dump to the harddisk. I understood it hitherto that it's needed for cases when a program needs more mem than is free and available ? Or asked the other way round - would any program whic

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-07 Thread dashielljt
The current wisdom is ram should be at most equal to memory installed and nothing over. Back in the early days of linux there was one system that needed twice the ram but that's history and not valid for modern systems and kernels. In fact, that system was a BSD system not Linux. Jude - To uns

Re: RAM and swap partition

2002-12-07 Thread james niland
The basic idea of the swap partition being double the size of ram is that when your system has a crash it is still capable of writing a core dump to the harddisk. I think not many people really require that for a home system or a system that is not critical.I know some people who run happily withou