The fact that other cultures/countries are continuing to allow this to
happen is equally to blame.
Regards,
Jason
Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
If you fail to see how the US of A is exporting their *&@(#$ legislation
successfully into other countries, you're either blind, ignorant, or
lacking a few g
> the yast system is not released under GPL is it?, so
> it would make distribution very hard without it.
Did you bother to look at the license? That it's not under GPL doesn't
mean you can't distribute it. In fact it's explicitly allowed, but if
you want to charge for it you technically have to g
snip,
the yast system is not released under GPL is it?, so
it would make distribution very hard without it.
Mahesh
>
> The network install situation with SuSE is no worse
> than that with
> Debian.
> The ftp-install from the SuSE ftp server is current,
> so is the live
> eval CD.
> Nobody is s
> While I am no patriot, such broad sweeping statements about Americans is
> as ignorant as you purport their actions to be.
If you fail to see how the US of A is exporting their *&@(#$ legislation
successfully into other countries, you're either blind, ignorant, or
lacking a few grey cells. Sorr
> On Wednesday 02 July 2003 03:38 pm, you wrote:
> > > Hi Guy,
> > >
> > > If the goods supplied as a copy of an original brand RHXX (TM)
> > > is the same as the content of their own public release they
> > > have no grounds to
> > > object.
> > >
> > > As long as the trademark is acknowleged ie B
> 2. there are more committed to free software than some other distros:
> a. Are there any _official_ SuSE isos ?
> AFAIK you can install only trough ftp (right try this over a modem),
> and not all packages are available (commercial, etc.)
The network install situation wit
On Wednesday 02 July 2003 04:27 pm, you wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Michael McCarthy wrote:
> > Hi Guy,
> > I disagree the ethical point is that they are intending to profit
> > on the intellectual property/creativity of the developers who have
> > contributed to the development of "their" dis
> a. Are there any _official_ SuSE isos ?
> AFAIK you can install only trough ftp (right try this over a
> modem), and not all packages are available (commercial, etc.)
I believe so but only for one of two versions behind the current release.
And they do offer the live cd's which ca
Now, now Jason, do not get too defensive,Chris did not refer to ALL
Americans, he referred to a bunch of them.
Regards, Robert
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
-Original Message-
From: Jason Greenwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 2 July 2003 4:
While I am no patriot, such broad sweeping statements about Americans is
as ignorant as you purport their actions to be.
Cheers
Jason
AFAIK, but IANAL, this is not the case in NZ. Once you have been given a
Trade Mark registration here in NZ, it's yours to keep for ever. This is a
case of a bun
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>AFAIK, but IANAL, this is not the case in NZ. Once you have been given a
> Trade Mark registration here in NZ, it's yours to keep for ever. This is
>a
> case of a bunch of arrogant Americans ignorently and incorrectly applying
> their laws in a foreign juristiction.
>
I
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:24, you wrote:
> This also has implecations for using "red hat" at our
> install fests!!
Don't forget that under US law a trademark has to be vigourously defended
otherwise you lose the right to use it as such, and the word or symbol
reverts to the universal vocabulary, e.g.
Hi there,
Nick Rout wrote:
danke, das ich den versuche
If that doesn't mean "thank you i will try that" blame google :-)
Hehe! Its close enough... :-)
Kind regards,
Chris Wilkinson, Christchurch.
On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 12:09, Michael JasonSmith wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 11:43, Vik Olliver wrote:
> > On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 11:38, Brad Beveridge wrote:
> > > I looked at wxwindows recently. I'm not a GUI programmer, and I found it to be
> > > just plain nasty - too much like MFC. Though
Hi there,
Michael McCarthy wrote:
As far as I am aware McDonalds TM have not released the recipe
for their product to the public domain nor do they have any
contractual/licencing agreement to do so.
Thank goodness for that! 3 cattle beasts have been slain to
create every McD's burger thus far in
Hi,
Ryurick M. Hristev wrote:
b. What about Mandrake ?
Do I have to sign for the "club" ?
No, you don't. There are Mandrake mirrors the world over too.
As far as I know RedHat is the only widespread "commercial" distro for which
the isos are available straight from _their own_ w
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Michael McCarthy wrote:
> Hi Guy,
> I disagree the ethical point is that they are intending to profit
> on the intellectual property/creativity of the developers who have
> contributed to the development of "their" distribution.
> Then limit the distribution of this "recog
On Wednesday 02 July 2003 03:38 pm, you wrote:
> > Hi Guy,
> >
> > If the goods supplied as a copy of an original brand RHXX (TM)
> > is the same as the content of their own public release they
> > have no grounds to
> > object.
> >
> > As long as the trademark is acknowleged ie BrandName (TM).
>
>
On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 14:20, Tim Wright wrote:
> She just wanted to play frozen-bubble :)
frozen-bubble is a particularly cool game. Windows users may have heard
of snood, but frozen bubble has a nifty background track that walks
along nicely.
Only problem is, being SDL based - it is a pig on an
> Hi Guy,
>
> If the goods supplied as a copy of an original brand RHXX (TM)
> is the same as the content of their own public release they
> have no grounds to
> object.
>
> As long as the trademark is acknowleged ie BrandName (TM).
OK, so (leaving aside questions as to why I would want to, public
Hi Guy,
If the goods supplied as a copy of an original brand RHXX (TM)
is the same as the content of their own public release they have no grounds to
object.
As long as the trademark is acknowleged ie BrandName (TM).
If the content is different this would need to be acknowledged/stated by the
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Michael JasonSmith wrote:
> So let me get this right. If I say: "Duplicated from RedHat Supplied
> Discs" then I am ok, but if I say: "RedHat 9.0 Discs" I would be wrong.
> I can live with that, 'coz I see their point.
They asked for all references to their trademarks to be r
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Guy Steven wrote:
> Somehow I think people are getting a bit precious over this. I am going to
> side with RedHat.
>
> Redhat admit that they have no problem in people distributing the software.
> What they object to is people distributing software and calling it RedHat.
> For
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael McCarthy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 July 2003 2:34 a.m.
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: ar redhat is turning into M$!!! ethics
>
>
> Hi Guy,
> I disagree the ethical point is that they are intending to profit
> on the i
On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 14:27, Guy Steven wrote:
> Somehow I think people are getting a bit precious over this. I am going to
> side with RedHat.
>
> Redhat admit that they have no problem in people distributing the software.
> What they object to is people distributing software and calling it RedHa
On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 02:21, Michael McCarthy wrote:
> Hi all,
> surely this a crock of B*S
>justy add the letters tm after your descriptions
> ie: RedHat (tm).
> and they have no legal recourse :-)
Just sell it as "Dead Rat" until Red Hat grow some sense glands.
Vik :v)
I disagree. What if I say:
*Disclaimer* - These products are not boxed OEM versions but are burned
to order from freely downloadable versions. As such, they do not come
with written documentation of any kind, nor is any warranty expressed or
implied. While every effort is made to ensure a qualit
Hi Guy,
I disagree the ethical point is that they are intending to profit
on the intellectual property/creativatity of the developers who have
contributed to the development of "their" distribution.
Then limit the distribution of this "recognisable" content.
As any one in business knows the m
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Jason Greenwood wrote:
> Why is Mandrake not on your list of alternatives?? But a Russian no name
> distro is?? I fail to understand... =)
>
MDK and RH are not 100% compatable. asplinux is a drop in replacement for
RH. I would suggest MDK for a new installation if an .rpm sys
Hi all,
surely this a crock of B*S
justy add the letters tm after your descriptions
ie: RedHat (tm).
and they have no legal recourse :-)
Alternately GNU Redhat (tm)
or the new MS$RH9.X Linux GNU distribution:
or the Redhat TM Linux distribution based on Mandrake (TM)
Linux etc (sorry couldn
Somehow I think people are getting a bit precious over this. I am going to
side with RedHat.
Redhat admit that they have no problem in people distributing the software.
What they object to is people distributing software and calling it RedHat.
For all they know, the cd's distributed under the name
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Jason Greenwood wrote:
> Why is Mandrake not on your list of alternatives?? But a Russian no name
> distro is?? I fail to understand... =)
I'm glad someone mentioned mandrake. One of my friends, who knows nothing
about computers, wanted a dual boot Windows Linux system. She ha
Why is Mandrake not on your list of alternatives?? But a Russian no name
distro is?? I fail to understand... =)
I have been looking at alternatives to RH and the best I have come up with
is asplinux 9.0. It looks as though these Russians have rebuilt about
20-30% of the RH packages and they cla
ta.
>
> http://www.iponz.govt.nz/
>
> Quoting Mahesh De Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >
> > Hi Michael
> >
> > do you have link for the trademark register?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Mahesh
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Just checked the Trademark register.
> they
> > > are registered in NZ!!!
my host is nz based :)
> This is yet another reason NOT to use or recommend
> RH. I'm serious. This
> is apart from my extreme distaste for the distro
> anyway. They are
> beginning to remind of a little software company in
> Redmond (not Lindows).
>
> I would pull them off my site quick smart.
http://www.iponz.govt.nz/
Quoting Mahesh De Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi Michael
>
> do you have link for the trademark register?
>
> Thanks
> Mahesh
>
> >
> >
> > - Just checked the Trademark register. they
> > are registered in NZ!!! otherwise you could have
> > pulled a sw
This is yet another reason NOT to use or recommend RH. I'm serious. This
is apart from my extreme distaste for the distro anyway. They are
beginning to remind of a little software company in Redmond (not Lindows).
I would pull them off my site quick smart.
Cheers
Jason
PS, or you could just s
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Mahesh De Silva wrote:
> This also has implecations for using "red hat" at our
> install fests!!
>
DON'T PANIC. It was my first reaction when I received the identical
message a few days ago. I have since clarified the situation with Mz
Ennis of RH. This is about trademarks o
Hi Michael
do you have link for the trademark register?
Thanks
Mahesh
>
>
> - Just checked the Trademark register. they
> are registered in NZ!!! otherwise you could have
> pulled a swifty
> and registered the mark your self.
>
> Label it as RH 9.x to get around it.
>
> Mike.
>
>
Nup, they clearly state in the email that is not an option, though
lawyers may have a field day with it... =)
Michael Pearce wrote:
- Just checked the Trademark register. they are registered in NZ!!! otherwise you could have pulled a swifty
and registered the mark your self.
Label it
Well there's a reason to change to another version of linux
http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile
- Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.
- Just checked the Trademark register. they are registered in NZ!!! otherwise
you could have pulled a swifty
and registered the mark your self.
Label it as RH 9.x to get around it.
Mike.
Linux Rocks !!!
Second one of those I've seen www.linuxiso.org recived pretty much the same thing.
Have a look here
http://www.linuxiso.org/news.php#87 The letter
http://www.linuxiso.org/news.php#88 The reply
They do seem to be getting abit iffy on that.
In other news heres an update o
not sure..
i am now going to call it linux 9 or edhat 9
> unbelievable
>
> are we allowed to still use "powered by redhat"
> logos on web pages?
>
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:24:42 +1200 (NZST)
> Mahesh De Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > This also has implecations for using "red hat" at
Dear oh dear.
Step 1)
Post this to slashdot & let the masses moan.
Step 2)
Offer "CDs burned from images available from www.redhat.com" have no other mention of
red hat on your site.
Depending on how much Red Hat business you get, stop distributing it entirely.
Brad
> -Original Message---
unbelievable
are we allowed to still use "powered by redhat" logos on web pages?
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:24:42 +1200 (NZST)
Mahesh De Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This also has implecations for using "red hat" at our
> install fests!!
>
>
>
> Dear Sir/Madam:
>
> I am writing on behalf o
oops, sorry guys
My two fingers were all over the place..
Craig
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 13:28, you wrote:
> subscribe
subscribe
This also has implecations for using "red hat" at our
install fests!!
Dear Sir/Madam:
I am writing on behalf of Red Hat, Inc. with respect
to its trademark
matters.
Red Hat, Inc. is the owner of several trademark
registrations in the
United States and in foreign countries for the mark
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On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 11:34:00AM +1200, Carl Cerecke wrote:
> Nick Rout wrote:
> >Unless you want to run php/sql/apache on windows??? *blech*
> blechery indeed.
Now, I'm aware that this is a _Linux_ mailing list :-) but this sort of
solution is a _good_ one for promoting Open Source solutions.
danke, das ich den versuche
If that doesn't mean "thank you i will try that" blame google :-)
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 11:59:44 +1200 (NZST)
Tim Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Nick Rout wrote:
>
> > Can anyone tell me why this might be, and how to fix it? I don't recall
> >
On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 11:43, Vik Olliver wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 11:38, Brad Beveridge wrote:
> > I looked at wxwindows recently. I'm not a GUI programmer, and I found it to be
> > just plain nasty - too much like MFC. Though if you have other toolkit experience
> > it probably isn't so
Vik Olliver wrote:
On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 11:38, Brad Beveridge wrote:
I looked at wxwindows recently. I'm not a GUI programmer, and I found it to be just
plain nasty - too much like MFC. Though if you have other toolkit experience it
probably isn't so bad. The biggest thing that it lacked was
I agree - I looked at alot of cross platform GUI's and after many months research
settled on FLTK, of which I use alot
here at work (UOC) and on other projects... its so easy to code with and is quite easy
to write your own widgets etc.
Mike.
Quoting Brad Beveridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I
> If someone gives me access to a server with postgresql and apache and
> php4 attached to the web (that's not hidden behind the university firewall:)
> I'll be happy
I may be able to do that for a short while at least - 128K link only though..
Mike.
Linux Rocks !!!
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Nick Rout wrote:
> Can anyone tell me why this might be, and how to fix it? I don't recall
> changing anything.
Learn German :)
You might need to change the LC_ALL environment variable (in root's
.bashrc) to EN_nz (or something similar), then log out and log back in
again.
T
I used knx-hdinstall to put knoppix on my laptop. All has been working
well for several weeks until suddenly on Monday night I logged in as
root to a console and the language appears to be in german. The keyboard
seems to be functioning as US as I get all the right characters, but
stuff spat back a
On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 11:38, Brad Beveridge wrote:
> I looked at wxwindows recently. I'm not a GUI programmer, and I found it to be just
> plain nasty - too much like MFC. Though if you have other toolkit experience it
> probably isn't so bad. The biggest thing that it lacked was a visual form
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
> Perhaps you might consider putting it on some server somewhere so we can all
> have a look?
If someone gives me access to a server with postgresql and apache and php4
attached to the web (that's not hidden behind the university firewall:)
I'll be h
I looked at wxwindows recently. I'm not a GUI programmer, and I found it to be just
plain nasty - too much like MFC. Though if you have other toolkit experience it
probably isn't so bad. The biggest thing that it lacked was a visual forms editor.
I ended up choosing FLTK for my project because
Nick Rout wrote:
having watched this conversation for a while, isn't a problem that even
if someone wrote a decent linux app for this problem, you don't have a
box to run it on? The php/sql/apache type of solutions surely require a
reasonable server, with the two windows machines a clients.
Yes, w
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 11:10, you wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Carl Cerecke wrote:
> > The bar isn't very high in this case, but it is high enough that
> > a weekend hacked-together project wouldn't cut it.
>
> haha! I'll take this as a personal challenge.
>
> On Sunday, after my (shameless plug) radi
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Carl Cerecke wrote:
> The bar isn't very high in this case, but it is high enough that
> a weekend hacked-together project wouldn't cut it.
haha! I'll take this as a personal challenge.
On Sunday, after my (shameless plug) radio show (Jazz) from 9-11am on RDU
98.5FM I will wr
having watched this conversation for a while, isn't a problem that even
if someone wrote a decent linux app for this problem, you don't have a
box to run it on? The php/sql/apache type of solutions surely require a
reasonable server, with the two windows machines a clients.
Unless you want to run
Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
You're right. And wrong. The problem is, the toy library that I know
is running windows on both computers, and some software that they
paid good money for.
Bummer, the M$ advantage again.
I have to be able to demonstrate that an OSS
solution works without major changes, a
> You're right. And wrong. The problem is, the toy library that I know
> is running windows on both computers, and some software that they
> paid good money for.
Bummer, the M$ advantage again.
> I have to be able to demonstrate that an OSS
> solution works without major changes, and is considera
Robert,
> What time do you start on Saturday?
I will be opening the doors at 9:00am. It will probably take a while to
extend the network on to more switches and set up the volunteer machines.
If anyone wants to come in on Friday night to set some stuff up, I can come
in and open up the doors an
Hi All
What time do you start on Saturday?
Bob Bernard
Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
Well, it would be OK for *me*, but ideally it should be cross-platform.
Why? Does it need to run on Windows? No. If it did, might as well buy
the M$ stuff. Does it need to run on Macs? Any toy library (aren't they
usually cash-strapped like all the other early edu instituti
Chris,
> is an 8 port switch useful ? WAP ?
An 8 port switch is very useful. I only have a 16 port switch and it is
mostly full. I don't think WAP will help.
Later
David Kirk
Hi Steve
here is jasons link again to help you out with the
winmodem.
http://www.pcworld.co.nz/PCWorld/PCW.nsf/ArchiveAuthor/2F32F1EAB74E7830CC256D500015C2AC?OpenDocument
Mahesh
> Thanks for those who helped get me up and running
> with my USB mouse.
>
> In the process I learnt a lot about men
G. M. Bodnar wrote:
This one's almost local. I'm still up in the air on it, though. The
language kinda reminds me of a moron talking to children. This should
have taken another pass through the editorial department.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3509550
Greg
--- -
Ken McAll
Nick Rout wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 16:42:38 +0200
Conrad Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks Nick!
Sorry, but I've no idea which ones I actually need. At the moment I'm
using the wine packages that Knoppix came with. Does one of the packages
above support USB?
Cheers,
Conrad.
How do
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
...
> Peter Elliott: Is that you?
>
> (3) My son and I would be very grateful indeed to be given a leg-up into the
> use of Blender, and possibly kpovmodeler & PovRay. The software is installed
> and as far as I can tell seems to work, but the human
horse power: PIII 800 with gentoo/distcc already running...
PIV 1600 laptop, which needs some tuning to the installed gentoo but may
provide horse power as well...
is an 8 port switch useful ? WAP ?
/cb
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
Does someone know
* How many volunteer machines are c
Ah! That's quicker (and free)
Thanks
On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 19:42, Nick Rout wrote:
> on another box
>
> host linux.citylink.co.nz
>
> the answer is
>
> the answer is:
> 210.48.103.6
>
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 19:50:54 +1200
> Robert Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > How can I get the ip
on another box
host linux.citylink.co.nz
the answer is
the answer is:
210.48.103.6
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 19:50:54 +1200
Robert Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How can I get the ip address of
>
> rsync://linux.citylink.co.nz/gentoo-x86-portage
>
>
> On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 19:48, Robert Fis
try pinging one of those nameservers
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 19:39:39 +1200
Robert Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> cat /etc/resolv.conf
>
> nameserver 202.27.184.3
> nameserver 202.27.184.5
>
>
> On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 19:20, Nick Rout wrote:
> > cat /etc/resolv.conf
> >
> > maybe you forgot t
How can I get the ip address of
rsync://linux.citylink.co.nz/gentoo-x86-portage
On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 19:48, Robert Fisher wrote:
> Went to forums, eventually found...
>
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=60974&highlight=temperary+temporary+failure+name+resolution
>
> and it is now syn
Went to forums, eventually found...
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=60974&highlight=temperary+temporary+failure+name+resolution
and it is now synching
On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 19:20, Nick Rout wrote:
> cat /etc/resolv.conf
>
> maybe you forgot to cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/gentoo/etc/resolv
Paul wrote:
> Finally the beta for PHP 5 http://www.php.net is out. Its
> fully OO. Looks great.
Typical; I finally got around to installing PHP4 on Sunday.
Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
cat /etc/resolv.conf
nameserver 202.27.184.3
nameserver 202.27.184.5
On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 19:20, Nick Rout wrote:
> cat /etc/resolv.conf
>
> maybe you forgot to cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/gentoo/etc/resolv.conf
> before you chrooted??
>
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 19:22:53 +1200
> Robert Fisher <[EMA
cat /etc/resolv.conf
maybe you forgot to cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/gentoo/etc/resolv.conf
before you chrooted??
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 19:22:53 +1200
Robert Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Correction: fault is = "temporary failure in name resolution"
>
> On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 19:19, Robert Fish
Correction: fault is = "temporary failure in name resolution"
On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 19:19, Robert Fisher wrote:
> I am trying to install Gentoo onto a machine which gives an "unknown
> host" error when trying to emerge sync
>
> I cannot ping www.xtra.co.nz but I can ping 202.27.184.102
>
> Does
> Well, it would be OK for *me*, but ideally it should be cross-platform.
Why? Does it need to run on Windows? No. If it did, might as well buy
the M$ stuff. Does it need to run on Macs? Any toy library (aren't they
usually cash-strapped like all the other early edu institutions) got
any Macs? I d
I am trying to install Gentoo onto a machine which gives an "unknown
host" error when trying to emerge sync
I cannot ping www.xtra.co.nz but I can ping 202.27.184.102
Does anyone on list know how to get around this?
--
Robert Fisher
www.fisherfamily.orcon.net.nz
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