RE: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Maurice Butler
Many moons ago it was "peripheral interchange program" the copy command on cpm -Original Message- From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 18 July 2006 11:29 a.m. To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz Subject: Re: CLUG web server changes On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:18:18 +1200

[OT] bigger pipes vs efficient bandwidth usage

2006-07-17 Thread yuri
Don Gould wrote: or just update the pip[e] capacity until it's just not an issue anymore, My 2c: No matter how big you make the pipes, they're still a *finite* resource and there will always be content pedlers pushing high-bandwidth "content" to use it all up. There will also always be bottlen

Re: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Don Gould
Jim Cheetham wrote: However, I think we've already established that no-one here has enough interest or experience of clarke connect to be able to offer meaningful help. Agreed. I'm currently trying to learn enough about debian 3.1 so I can just replace cc. I've got a new server in place b

RE: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Davidson, Brett (Managed Services)
Um, regardless of whether you CAN increase the pipe or not, that isn't the point. After all, the problem is that the misbehaving app/person is flooding a slow link - what prevents them from doing the same to your faster link that you've just paid extra money for? As Volker put it, bandwidth manag

Re: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 01:30:02PM +1200, Don Gould wrote: > I was saying that people need to stop worrying about what google is up > to and just put in a bigger pipe. As the discussion is about hosting > then it's right no. It's not primarily a Linux-related issue, but people running servers a

RE: FL/OSS must be hurting the status quo big time...

2006-07-17 Thread Davidson, Brett (Managed Services)
What makes me dismiss this McAfee fella is that he seems to consider security by obscurity a valid concept. > -Original Message- > From: Steve Holdoway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 18 July 2006 7:57 a.m. > To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz > Subject: FL/OSS must be hurting

Re: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Don Gould
ROFL! Following your rant about the fact I left out an e in my word, you then come back and rant about the fact that my Linux server dropped the word SPAM in the subject line because it thought the content was spam... My response to orginal message was on topic... I was saying that people ne

Re: CLUG web server changes [WOT]

2006-07-17 Thread Steve Holdoway
Don't you remember your CP/M? Peripheral Interchange Program Steve On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:59:33 +1200 Rex Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick Rout wrote: > > > I have two clues - my TV has PIP capacity, = picture in picture. > > Plastic Irrigation Pipe? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wi

Re: [SPAM-Bowenvale] Re: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Nick Rout
Don, putting the tag "SPAM" in your subject line does not excuse a meaningless post. Or even two meaningless posts in a row. Can I remind people that this list is primarily about GNU/Linux and software that runs under GNU/Linux . Secondarily it covers general FLOSS issues and other free/open unix

[SPAM-Bowenvale] Re: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Don Gould
+e Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:18:18 +1200 Don Gould wrote: or just update the pip capacity until it's just not an issue anymore, remember it's also impacting on their systems. Cheers Don pardon my ignorance, what is the "pip capacity" -- Don Gould www.thinkdesignprint.co.n

Re: CLUG web server changes [WOT]

2006-07-17 Thread Rex Johnston
Nick Rout wrote: I have two clues - my TV has PIP capacity, = picture in picture. Plastic Irrigation Pipe? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIP has a few interesting entries, none of which seem to to fit. I have a dog called Pip, and as a result of the little white hairs that appear on every it

Re: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Nick Rout
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:40:04 +1200 Rex Johnston wrote: > Nick Rout wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:18:18 +1200 > > Don Gould wrote: > > > >> or just update the pip capacity until it's just not an issue anymore, > >> remember it's also impacting on their systems. > >> > >> Cheers Don > > > >

Re: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> or just update the pip capacity until it's just not an issue anymore, > remember it's also impacting on their systems. pip what? And are you suggesting I take on google to see who has more bandwidth, and the pockets to pay for it? Fingers crossed my mental state doesn't evaporate that much bef

Re: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Rex Johnston
Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:18:18 +1200 Don Gould wrote: or just update the pip capacity until it's just not an issue anymore, remember it's also impacting on their systems. Cheers Don pardon my ignorance, what is the "pip capacity" Don't you know anything Nick? It's how big

Re: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Nick Rout
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:18:18 +1200 Don Gould wrote: > or just update the pip capacity until it's just not an issue anymore, > remember it's also impacting on their systems. > > Cheers Don pardon my ignorance, what is the "pip capacity" -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Don Gould
or just update the pip capacity until it's just not an issue anymore, remember it's also impacting on their systems. Cheers Don Volker Kuhlmann wrote: It's often interesting looking over stats... Not really, unless you have an actual need to do so. Either you need to monitor bandwidth (in whi

Re: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
> > It's often interesting looking over stats... > > Not really, unless you have an actual need to do so. Either you need to > monitor bandwidth (in which case you should be measuring from the > network, not from the app), or you are actively changing the design of > your sites to match the people

Re: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 10:56:02PM +1200, Don Gould wrote: > It's often interesting looking over stats... Not really, unless you have an actual need to do so. Either you need to monitor bandwidth (in which case you should be measuring from the network, not from the app), or you are actively changi

FL/OSS must be hurting the status quo big time...

2006-07-17 Thread Steve Holdoway
Apparently botnets are our fault now! They're even using CVS. I'd have thought subversion would be a better option (: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=6601 Steve

Re: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Don Gould
It's often interesting looking over stats... http://www.tcn.bowenvale.co.nz/stats/ - updates everyday... Peter Harrison from NZOSS posted an article earlier about FF saying it was getting 14% now... If you look at my site you'll see that I get much higher than that, thou it's likly because i

Re: CLUG web server changes

2006-07-17 Thread Jim Cheetham
I've recently run the wiki web logs through awstats; please see:- http://clug.net.nz/stats/awstats.clug.2006.html http://clug.net.nz/stats/awstats.clug.2005.html http://clug.net.nz/stats/awstats.clug.2004.html Basically, current traffic usage is 60MB/month for people, and about 500Mb/month for ro