xcdroast??

2002-06-30 Thread Jerry McBride
Since when does xcdroast require 1024x768? I've been using xcdroast for ages... now all of the sudden it's requiring 1024x768 before it'll run! I don't think I have EVER changed my screen resolution above 800x600... tire, old eyes... you know? Anyway... do I have to change it or is there a kd

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Ken Moffat
Leon A. Goldstein wrote: >Ken Moffat asked: > > >>As an aside, has anyone compared speeds of OpenOffice (or StarOffice) on >>Linux (whichever distro!) verses Windows (whichever variety!)??? I'm >>just curious. >> >> >> > >OK, you asked for it. Here are start-up times (seconds) for SO 5.

Re: dep, FHS, Slackware

2002-06-30 Thread Ken Moffat
Collins wrote: >Who has a simple howto on maintaining Slack? I'm thinking of >something with a database of installed packages, of course. > > > I thought that was 'pkgtool'. Am I mislead again? As root in a terminal type 'pkgtool' and have a look around the installed packages. Ken

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Leon A. Goldstein
Ken Moffat asked: > > As an aside, has anyone compared speeds of OpenOffice (or StarOffice) on > Linux (whichever distro!) verses Windows (whichever variety!)??? I'm > just curious. > OK, you asked for it. Here are start-up times (seconds) for SO 5.2 and a couple of other apps. The system i

Re: dep, FHS, Slackware

2002-06-30 Thread Shawn L Johnston
On Sunday 30 June 2002 06:39 pm, you wrote: > When a commercial client talks to me about Linux. They mean Red Hat and I > don't attempt to persuade them any different. I wouldn't even bring up > Slack, Gentoo or now even Caldera or SuSE. > > But the real enemy is none of those and you know who I m

Re: dep, FHS, Slackware

2002-06-30 Thread David A. Bandel
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:05:03 -0400 begin dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth: > begin David A. Bandel's quote: > > | I started on Slackware (this was before RH even existed). What I > | liked about it was it looked and felt almost exactly like my Ultrix > | and SUN OS 4 (Solaris 1.x) boxes

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Ken Moffat
dep wrote: >begin Leon A. Goldstein's quote: > >| Add some RAM and see what happens. My "son of lab rat" system is a >| Pentium 233, originally with 64 MB of EDO RAM. I obtained two 64 >| MB EDO DIMM's cheap and goosed up total RAM from 64 MB to 160 MB. >| Hoo Haa! KDE 2.x is a RAM hog. I'd

Re: dep, FHS, Slackware

2002-06-30 Thread dep
begin David A. Bandel's quote: | I started on Slackware (this was before RH even existed). What I | liked about it was it looked and felt almost exactly like my Ultrix | and SUN OS 4 (Solaris 1.x) boxes did (SUN switched to SySV w/ SUN | OS 5, aka Solaris 2.x). Openwin anyone? Thank God for

Re: Client Switching to Linux

2002-06-30 Thread Joel Hammer
Just my 2 cents. win4lin seems to work fine, too, if you need to use some windows apps. All depends what you are up to. Of course, you are still using windows, but it will help to have that crutch during a transition, IMHO. Of course, getting win4lin installed is not always easy, either. Joel >

Re: Client Switching to Linux

2002-06-30 Thread Susan Macchia
For palm sync, jpilot is what I use and it works great. Back end is pilot-link so if the client has the newest palms there may be a little config, but not much. The jpilot list is pretty active and the folks there are responsive. For quickbooks, gnucash? Kapital isn't there yet... He could al

Re: Client Switching to Linux

2002-06-30 Thread Keith Antoine
On Monday 01 July 2002 09:56 am, Michael Hipp espoused with vigour: > I have a client that is considering switching to Linux on his desktops. > Yippee! Here's the app list we have to replace: > > Windows XP -> Red Hat 7.3 Pro > MS Word -> StarOffice 6.0 > MS Excel-> " > MS PowerPnt -> "

Re: dep, FHS, Slackware

2002-06-30 Thread David A. Bandel
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:58:25 -0600 begin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth: > On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:28:31 -0500 "David A. Bandel" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [ rest snipped ] > > > Thank God for CDE (not-so-Common Desktop Environment) > > It's my understanding that xfce has inten

Re: Samba shared Printers

2002-06-30 Thread stayler
Nope, Missed that one too. I'll put it in tomorrow. I am just real tired right now Thanks 8-) stayler On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:29:22 -0400, Joel Hammer wrote: >I had this same problem with XP. >Did you add: >use client driver = yes >to the share definition? > >Joel __

Re: dep, FHS, Slackware

2002-06-30 Thread Collins
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:28:31 -0500 "David A. Bandel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [ rest snipped ] > Thank God for CDE (not-so-Common Desktop Environment) It's my understanding that xfce has intended from its inception to look a lot like CDE. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(sin

Re: Client Switching to Linux

2002-06-30 Thread James McDonald
On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:56, Michael Hipp wrote: > I have a client that is considering switching to Linux on his desktops. > Yippee! Here's the app list we have to replace: > > Windows XP -> Red Hat 7.3 Pro > MS Word -> StarOffice 6.0 > MS Excel-> " > MS PowerPnt -> " > MS Outlook -> Evol

Re: Samba shared Printers

2002-06-30 Thread Joel Hammer
I had this same problem with XP. Did you add: use client driver = yes to the share definition? Joel > It all working except Win2K and XP refuse to show the printers as > available evnthough they are and can be prited to by the offending > machines. Must be more MS FUD. __

Re: dep, FHS, Slackware

2002-06-30 Thread David A. Bandel
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:06:17 -0400 begin dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth: > begin Michael Hipp's quote: > > | I'm curious. What do you find attractive about Slackware? What > | causes it to stand out so above the others? > > it takes other people's system resources seriously, and but fo

Re: dep, FHS, Slackware

2002-06-30 Thread Collins
[ snips ] On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:06:17 -0400 dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > begin Michael Hipp's quote: > > | I'm curious. What do you find attractive about Slackware? What > | causes it to stand out so above the others? > > it takes other people's system resources seriously, and but for >

Re: dep, FHS, Slackware

2002-06-30 Thread Michael Hipp
On Sunday 30 June 2002 07:06 pm, dep wrote: > begin Michael Hipp's quote: > | I'm curious. What do you find attractive about Slackware? What > | causes it to stand out so above the others? > > it takes other people's system resources seriously, and but for > bsd-style init scripts sticks to the

Re: Samba shared Printers

2002-06-30 Thread stayler
Well, The final outcome goes something like this. The items in Diagnose where no help, even the command line changes for the print commabd never seemed to work. The issue was an item in the smb.conf file that didn't appear in any examples that I found with the exception of one that I found on G

Re: Client Switching to Linux

2002-06-30 Thread David A. Bandel
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:56:45 -0500 begin Michael Hipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth: > I have a client that is considering switching to Linux on his desktops. > Yippee! Here's the app list we have to replace: > > Windows XP -> Red Hat 7.3 Pro > MS Word -> StarOffice 6.0 > MS Excel-

Re: Client Switching to Linux

2002-06-30 Thread Net Llama!
Michael Hipp wrote: > I have a client that is considering switching to Linux on his desktops. > Yippee! Here's the app list we have to replace: > > Windows XP -> Red Hat 7.3 Pro > MS Word -> StarOffice 6.0 > MS Excel-> " > MS PowerPnt -> " > MS Outlook -> Evolution (???) > MS Access

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread dep
begin Leon A. Goldstein's quote: | Add some RAM and see what happens. My "son of lab rat" system is a | Pentium 233, originally with 64 MB of EDO RAM. I obtained two 64 | MB EDO DIMM's cheap and goosed up total RAM from 64 MB to 160 MB. | Hoo Haa! KDE 2.x is a RAM hog. I'd suggest downgradi

Re: dep, FHS, Slackware

2002-06-30 Thread dep
begin Michael Hipp's quote: | I'm curious. What do you find attractive about Slackware? What | causes it to stand out so above the others? it takes other people's system resources seriously, and but for bsd-style init scripts sticks to the fhs. | My (unlearned) impression is it's the one wit

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Collins
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:21:20 -0400 dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > begin Collins's quote: > > > | 4) You are very right. I haven't been in the linux game longer > | than a few years. In that span of time I haven't reached that > | enlightened state of bliss where I believe that I know the

Client Switching to Linux

2002-06-30 Thread Michael Hipp
I have a client that is considering switching to Linux on his desktops. Yippee! Here's the app list we have to replace: Windows XP -> Red Hat 7.3 Pro MS Word -> StarOffice 6.0 MS Excel-> " MS PowerPnt -> " MS Outlook -> Evolution (???) MS Access -> (keep a Win machine handy???) Qui

dep, FHS, Slackware

2002-06-30 Thread Michael Hipp
dep, I'm curious. What do you find attractive about Slackware? What causes it to stand out so above the others? My (unlearned) impression is it's the one with a face only a mother could love. And will never be anything more than a curiousity. So in that way, it's arguably no different than Ge

Re: samba 2.2.2

2002-06-30 Thread m.w.chang
forgot that...thx. Douglas J Hunley wrote: > because it uses the current directory to figure it out. it assumes that you > are in /some/path/package-x.x.x -- Linux 2.4.18 up 40 days, 10:00, 2 users, load average: 1.02, 1.05, 1.01 Join us in news://news.hkpcug.org and http://www.linux-sxs.org

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Leon A. Goldstein
dep wrote inter alia: > i have a little p-166 64-meg machine here, and when i pop > in the otherwise identical w2k drive performance just blows the doors > off an equivalent linux installation. by "equivalent" i mean with a > full-desktop, not some stripped-down thing. any msoffice application

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread dep
begin Collins's quote: | 1) You have a fanatic allegiance to a set of standards that no one | anywhere has completely implemented and seem to have a (from my | standpoint) somewhat naive belief that implementation of the fhs is | some sort of magic bullet that will guarantee world dominance for

Re: Kill KDE

2002-06-30 Thread Richard R. Sivernell
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:59:44 -0700 "Net Llama!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You didn't say whether you wished to keep KDM, or use XDM. THis is > kinda important, as if you remove *all* of KDE, you'll lose KDM too, and > then you'll be forced to either do without a login manager and start > x

Re: Switching fs-type from reiserfs to ext2/3

2002-06-30 Thread Collins
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:27:02 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hermann-Josef Beckers) wrote: > Hi Collins, > > thank you for your answer. Using -t does the trick, but can I trust > my data on that partition. Or does anybody know how much i should > wipe out?"dd if=/dev/zero of=/partition bs=512 count=200

Re: Switching fs-type from reiserfs to ext2/3

2002-06-30 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
This may be too obvious, or taken care of already, but did you change the filesystem type in /etc/fstab? ++ kevin On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 07:27:02PM +0200, Hermann-Josef Beckers wrote: > Hi Collins, > > thank you for your answer. Using -t does the trick, but can I trust my data > on that par

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Collins
[ severely snipped ] On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:35:34 -0400 dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > begin Collins's quote: > > | What, exactly, are the benefits to be gained from enforcing the > | fhs? > > consistency, so that there is a meaning to the word "linux" beyond > the kernel. > > > | You ke

Re: Kill KDE

2002-06-30 Thread Net Llama!
You didn't say whether you wished to keep KDM, or use XDM. THis is kinda important, as if you remove *all* of KDE, you'll lose KDM too, and then you'll be forced to either do without a login manager and start xfce manually for each user. Also, if you go with XDM, then each user will have no c

Re: openssh-3.4p1

2002-06-30 Thread Net Llama!
m.w.chang wrote: > > ./configure \ > --prefix=/usr \ > --sysconfdir=/etc/ssh \ > --with-pid-dir=/var/run \ > --libexecdir=/usr/lib/ssh \ > --with-pam \ > --with-tcp-wrappers \ > --with-ipv4-default \ > --with-lastlog \ > --wi

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Net Llama!
dep wrote: > while i'm at it -- and if no one responds, i'll send this part out > standalone -- i've been beating myself bloody over the last few > months trying to get a linux machine to work with the ethernet data > ports now commonly found in hotel rooms. i fear that these are set up > larg

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread dep
begin Collins's quote: | What, exactly, are the benefits to be gained from enforcing the | fhs? consistency, so that there is a meaning to the word "linux" beyond the kernel. | gentoo has a mature interpretation of the fhs (there are | nothing but interpretations at present), installs in a v

Re: Kill KDE

2002-06-30 Thread dep
begin Richard R. Sivernell's quote: | Guru help needed | |I have a installed Easerver system up. But no gui as something | is wrong with kde. What I want to do is remove kde from the system | totally and use xfce. I want to use xfce so I can have all of the | terminal window & browser/ ftp d

Re: samba 2.2.2

2002-06-30 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 m.w.chang spewed electrons into the ether that resembled: > checkinstall gave me this: > > This package will be built according to these values: > > 1 - Summary: [ Package created with checkinstall 1.5.1 ] > 2 - Name:[ source ] > 3 - Version: [

Re: openssh-3.4p1

2002-06-30 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 m.w.chang spewed electrons into the ether that resembled: > > BTW, I think the sxs on openssh needs to be updated with the privilege > separation option. write it up when you're done and send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . we'll be happy to include it -

Re: Updated Step

2002-06-30 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pam R spewed electrons into the ether that resembled: > *Nobody* tells *me* to ignore *nothing*. thanks Pam. needed a smile. nice to see your witr on the list still - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux

Re: Kill KDE

2002-06-30 Thread Collins
On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:24:39 -0500 "Richard R. Sivernell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Guru help needed > >I have a installed Easerver system up. But no gui as something is >wrong with > kde. What I want to do is remove kde from the system totally and use > xfce. I want to use xfce so I

Re: Switching fs-type from reiserfs to ext2/3

2002-06-30 Thread Hermann-Josef Beckers
Hi Collins, thank you for your answer. Using -t does the trick, but can I trust my data on that partition. Or does anybody know how much i should wipe out? "dd if=/dev/zero of=/partition bs=512 count=200" wasn't enough. The partition has 1 Gig. Mount keeps complaining, when I use the informatio

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Collins
[ snips ] On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:28:55 -0400 dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > begin Collins's quote: > > | We agree to disagree. > > interesting. i have a little p-166 64-meg machine here, and when i > pop in the otherwise identical w2k drive performance just blows the > doors off an equiva

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Collins
[ snips - to split up a very large topic ] On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:46:39 -0400 dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > begin Collins's quote: [ Slackware ] > | An excellent choice, especially if you run xfce. The install is > | easy, and it seems to be pretty stable. ... My big problem with > Slac

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread dep
begin Collins's quote: | We agree to disagree. My WIN98 system runs great on K6/II 300MZ | 128Meg. A little slow for Photoshop stuff, but AOK for M$Office | stuff; same system ran Linux AOK. My laptop at work is a Compaq | 800Mz 256MZ model, and it really needs 512M to run WIN2K properly, |

Kill KDE

2002-06-30 Thread Richard R. Sivernell
Guru help needed I have a installed Easerver system up. But no gui as something is wrong with kde. What I want to do is remove kde from the system totally and use xfce. I want to use xfce so I can have all of the terminal window & browser/ ftp downloading capability to manage my server & I wa

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread dep
begin Collins's quote: | Also, one remaining point. I thought Redhat was complient, since | the FHS seems to have adopted almost intact the Redhant filesystem | and maintenance (RPM) structure. Care to expand on the | differences? well, yeah, to the extent that i can. as i understand the his

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Collins
[ snips - split a large topic into smaller chunks ] On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:46:39 -0400 dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > begin Collins's quote: > > | Since the current market for PCs is 1G+ (now pushing 2G+) with > | minimum 128Meg (often 256 Meg), it don't see this as a deal > | breaker. Sor

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Collins
[ snip - split up a very large topic ] On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:46:39 -0400 dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > begin Collins's quote: > | Also, I though moving kde and gnome away from /opt > | used to be a prime requirement of the FHS. When did that change? > > it never was the case. claims that i

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread dep
begin Collins's quote: | Also, I though moving kde and gnome away from /opt | used to be a prime requirement of the FHS. When did that change? it never was the case. claims that it was were based on a spectacular misreading of the fhs. those who misread it took it to mean that anything the d

Re: Switching fs-type from reiserfs to ext2/3

2002-06-30 Thread Collins
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:12:49 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hermann-Josef Beckers) wrote: > I'm trying to switch a partition from reiserfs to ext2 or ext3. Both > fdisk and diskdrake do as I tell them to do (get no errors, rebooted > as told). But whenever I try to mount the partition, all I get is >

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Collins
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:10:19 -0700 Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Collins wrote: > > >My big problem with Slack or > >debian or anything that doesn't adhere to the Mandrake/Redhat/ELX > >RPM framework is maintenance, and Slack (IMO) just doesn't have the > >necessry depth in its upgrade

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Collins
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:07:22 -0700 Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Collins wrote: > > >I wasn't able to get my printer > >working (invested 2+ days before signing off), but otherwise Slack > >was AOK. > > > A bit off topic, but I got my printer (HP840C) working using > apsfilter. Did yo

Switching fs-type from reiserfs to ext2/3

2002-06-30 Thread Hermann-Josef Beckers
I'm trying to switch a partition from reiserfs to ext2 or ext3. Both fdisk and diskdrake do as I tell them to do (get no errors, rebooted as told). But whenever I try to mount the partition, all I get is "Wrong filesystem-type, invalid options oder superblock of /dev/hdc6 is defect ..." NOw

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Ken Moffat
Collins wrote: >My big problem with Slack or >debian or anything that doesn't adhere to the Mandrake/Redhat/ELX RPM >framework is maintenance, and Slack (IMO) just doesn't have the >necessry depth in its upgrade offerings. > > > It's possible to convert rpms using rpm2tgz. Ken again _

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Ken Moffat
Collins wrote: >I wasn't able to get my printer >working (invested 2+ days before signing off), but otherwise Slack was >AOK. > A bit off topic, but I got my printer (HP840C) working using apsfilter. Did you happen to try it? Ken ___ Linux-users m

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Collins
On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:58:45 -0400 dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > begin Ken Moffat's quote: > | dep wrote > | > | >redhat is not fhs-compliant. if it were, i'd be using it. Sorry for the confusion, I really thought (my mistake) that Redhat was the prime mover in this FHS stuff - a sort of end

Re: samba 2.2.5

2002-06-30 Thread m.w.chang
done... m.w.chang wrote: > oops.. the hongkong mirror got 2.2.2 only.. well.. > going for 2.2.5... -- Linux 2.4.18 up 40 days, 0 min, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 0.97, 0.82 Join us in news://news.hkpcug.org and http://www.linux-sxs.org ___ Linux-u

Re: samba 2.2.2

2002-06-30 Thread m.w.chang
checkinstall gave me this: This package will be built according to these values: 1 - Summary: [ Package created with checkinstall 1.5.1 ] 2 - Name:[ source ] 3 - Version: [ source ] 4 - Release: [ 1 ] 5 - License: [ GPL ] 6 - Group: [ Applications/System ] 7 - Architecture: [ i386 ]

Re: samba 2.2.2

2002-06-30 Thread m.w.chang
oops.. the hongkong mirror got 2.2.2 only.. well.. going for 2.2.5... m.w.chang wrote: > I followed the sxs on caldera-fanly samba. it worked... :) > -- Linux 2.4.18 up 40 days, 0 min, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 0.97, 0.82 Join us in news://news.hkpcug.org and http://www.linux-sxs.or

openssh-3.4p1

2002-06-30 Thread m.w.chang
./configure \ --prefix=/usr \ --sysconfdir=/etc/ssh \ --with-pid-dir=/var/run \ --libexecdir=/usr/lib/ssh \ --with-pam \ --with-tcp-wrappers \ --with-ipv4-default \ --with-lastlog \ --with-privsep-user=nobody \

samba 2.2.2

2002-06-30 Thread m.w.chang
I followed the sxs on caldera-fanly samba. it worked... :) -- Linux 2.4.18 up 39 days, 23:00, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Join us in news://news.hkpcug.org and http://www.linux-sxs.org ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread dep
begin Ken Moffat's quote: | dep wrote | | >redhat is not fhs-compliant. if it were, i'd be using it. | | What do you use? right now -- and by this i really *do* mean for the moment -- a severely hacked SuSE 7.2 on my production machine, and a collection of various other distros on other machi

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Peter Ruskin
On Sunday 30 Jun 2002 04:21, dep wrote: > begin Collins's quote: > | I can only thank my lucky stars that I have stumbled on a distro > | that is not slavishly complient to the FHS, read: the Redhat > | approach. > > redhat is not fhs-compliant. if it were, i'd be using it. what *do* you use, p

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Michael Scottaline
On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:24:41 -0600 Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled intuitively: >I can only thank my lucky stars that I have stumbled on a distro that >is not slavishly complient to the FHS, read: the Redhat approach. Actually, Redhat is not compli

Re: gentoo - wow!! - progress

2002-06-30 Thread Ken Moffat
dep wrote >redhat is not fhs-compliant. if it were, i'd be using it. > > What do you use? ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL