Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-29 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 02:02 PM 6/29/99 -0400, Ronda Hauben wrote: > >From: "Richard J. Sexton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>1) there has never been anything in human history as big, diverse or >>ungovernable as the Internet. > >That's not the point. The point is that the Internet has grown >up from a special environment

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-29 Thread Gordon Cook
>From: "Richard J. Sexton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>1) there has never been anything in human history as big, diverse or >>ungovernable as the Internet. > >That's not the point. The point is that the Internet has grown >up from a special environment at ARPA's IPTO (the Information Processing >Techn

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-29 Thread Greg Skinner
Unfortunately I don't have more time to comment on this thread, but briefly: * The Internet is used for many things, including commerce. * This doesn't mean that noncommercial uses of the Internet should be disregarded. * I don't like being thought of as a faceless consumer. * It's fine to l

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-29 Thread Ronda Hauben
From: "Richard J. Sexton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >1) there has never been anything in human history as big, diverse or >ungovernable as the Internet. That's not the point. The point is that the Internet has grown up from a special environment at ARPA's IPTO (the Information Processing Techniques O

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-29 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 09:10 AM 6/29/99 -0400, you wrote: >Richard J. Sexton wrote: > > > >> "I don't wish to offer an opinion about how the net should be run; >that's >> like offering an opinion about how salamanders should grow: nobody has >any >> control over it, regardless of what opinions they might have"

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-29 Thread Cthulhu's Little Helper
On 29 June 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William X. Walsh) wrote: > >Mark, > >I think you are confused as to what was the basis for this discussion. >As a consumer you are a part of a market, you make certain choices. >These choices include which TLD to register under, which internet >provider to use,

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-29 Thread Craig McTaggart
Richard J. Sexton wrote: > "I don't wish to offer an opinion about how the net should be run; that's > like offering an opinion about how salamanders should grow: nobody has any > control over it, regardless of what opinions they might have" - BKR For a contrary view, see David Post, "G

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-29 Thread Richard J. Sexton
>>>The Internet was not the "market" when it was born and it isn't >>>and won't be a "market now or in the future. >> >>>It is a communication medium. > >>So is a newspaper, and by Jesus look at the ads in that thing. > >Is that what you wish as the model for the Internet? "I don't wish to offe

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-29 Thread Ronda Hauben
>On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:39:04 -0700, "Cthulhu's Little Helper" > Mark C. Langston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 29 June 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William X. Walsh) wrote: >>Those decisions are what make you a part of the market. >Perhaps, William, perhaps. However, *I* will *choose* to be a m

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-29 Thread Ronda Hauben
"Richard J. Sexton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Status

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-28 Thread Jeff Williams
Mark, William and all, Actually you both are right as far as it goes, that is. William is correct in that we are all part of the market, in one form or another. Mark is correct in that each individual has the ability to choose what part of the market he/she/it chooses to be. Cthulhu's Little

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-28 Thread William X. Walsh
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:30:04 -0700, "Cthulhu's Little Helper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On 29 June 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William X. Walsh) wrote: > >>On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:39:04 -0700, "Cthulhu's Little Helper" >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> >>>The net is no more a market-enabling tec

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-28 Thread Cthulhu's Little Helper
On 29 June 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William X. Walsh) wrote: >On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:39:04 -0700, "Cthulhu's Little Helper" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>The net is no more a market-enabling technology than the phone is. I = >mean >>that literally. As in, the phone enables me to make more

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-28 Thread Richard J. Sexton
>The Internet was not the "market" when it was born and it isn't >and won't be a "market now or in the future. > >It is a communication medium. So is a newspaper, and by Jesus look at the ads in that thing. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] "They were of a mind to govern us and we were o

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-28 Thread Gene Marsh
Mark, I disagree completely. The phone is, indeed, a merket-enabling technology. Whether you wish it to be used as a method to be targeted for selling to you, the potential is there... the market is enabled. The method in which the potential is used has little to do with the potential which is

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-28 Thread William X. Walsh
>It would seem you need idea of the history and development of >the Internet to understand the Internet *not* some theories >that don't work outside of the Interent, and are certainly inappropriate >to the nature of a communications medium. Now we get to the crux. You don't believe in a free op

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-28 Thread Ronda Hauben
TED]>; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:13:10 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William X. Walsh) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 04:13:03 GMT Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-28 Thread William X. Walsh
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:39:04 -0700, "Cthulhu's Little Helper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On 29 June 1999, Gene Marsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>Rhonda, >> >>You may be missing the point. >> >>The Internet is not a merket, any more than the Interstate Highway system >>is a market. It IS,

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-28 Thread Anonymous
On 29 June 1999, Gene Marsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Rhonda, > >You may be missing the point. > >The Internet is not a merket, any more than the Interstate Highway system >is a market. It IS, however, a market-enabling technology, just as the >Interstate Highway system is. Without it, ou

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-28 Thread Anonymous
Rhonda, You may be missing the point. The Internet is not a merket, any more than the Interstate Highway system is a market. It IS, however, a market-enabling technology, just as the Interstate Highway system is. Without it, our economy would not be nearly as robust as it is. In a similar man

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-28 Thread Anonymous
On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 00:02:07 -0400 (EDT), Ronda Hauben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Ronda, > >>What the internet started as is of no relevence.=20 > >>What it is now, is exactly what I stated. > > >>It is time for you to accept that the internet has changed, and move >>on. > >The Internet was not

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-28 Thread Anonymous
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William X. Walsh) writes: On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:14:17 -0400 (EDT), Ronda Hauben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William X. Walsh) wrote: > >>>The internet, by definition, is a network of interconnected networks. >>>These networks are not a "uniform" set of

Re: [IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-28 Thread Anonymous
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:14:17 -0400 (EDT), Ronda Hauben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William X. Walsh) wrote: > >>The internet, by definition, is a network of interconnected networks. >>These networks are not a "uniform" set of networks. They are diverse, >>and the attempt to f

[IFWP] Computer science or the "market", government or ICANN

1999-06-28 Thread Anonymous
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William X. Walsh) wrote: >The internet, by definition, is a network of interconnected networks. >These networks are not a "uniform" set of networks. They are diverse, >and the attempt to force on them a set of policies that are "uniform" >in nature, when there is no compelling