Re: [IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says court

1999-03-30 Thread Bill Lovell
At 09:29 PM 3/28/99 -0800, you wrote: > > At 07:02 PM 3/28/99 -0800, Bill Lovell wrote: > >At 04:53 PM 3/26/99 -0500, you wrote: > We're talking past each other. In your example, the regulator does > >NOT own "KOIN," "WPBS," etc., in spite of the fact that it "owns," > >i.e., has control of

Re: [IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says court

1999-03-29 Thread Greg Skinner
Einar Stefferud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Call signs have much of the same character as DNS names, in that they > may not be used in conflict by two different Electro Magnetic Signa > Transmitters. But, this has nothing to do with whether or not the > call sign registrant owns some intellectu

Re: [IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says court

1999-03-29 Thread Michael Sondow
Einar Stefferud a écrit: > So, there is room for a very clean contract between the registrant and > the registrar to the effect that for a fee, the registry will > "advertise" the registered name for the purpose of resolving the DNS > name to various data that are entered into the Registry databa

Re: [IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says court

1999-03-29 Thread Bill Lovell
At 08:28 PM 3/28/99 -0800, you wrote: >Call signs have much of the same character as DNS names, in that they >may not be used in conflict by two different Electro Magnetic Signa >Transmitters. But, this has nothing to do with whether or not the >call sign registrant owns some intellectual propert

Re: [IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says court

1999-03-29 Thread Einar Stefferud
Call signs have much of the same character as DNS names, in that they may not be used in conflict by two different Electro Magnetic Signa Transmitters. But, this has nothing to do with whether or not the call sign registrant owns some intellectual property in connection with the Call Sign string.

Re: [IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says court

1999-03-29 Thread Roeland M.J. Meyer
At 07:02 PM 3/28/99 -0800, Bill Lovell wrote: >At 04:53 PM 3/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Bill Lovell a écrit: >>> >>> ICANN is saying that >>> as soon as I tell one of the registrars what that name is, and tell them >>> I want to park it there, then the ownership of that domain name >>> transmogrifi

Re: [IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says court

1999-03-28 Thread Bill Lovell
At 04:53 PM 3/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >Bill Lovell a écrit: >> >> ICANN is saying that >> as soon as I tell one of the registrars what that name is, and tell them >> I want to park it there, then the ownership of that domain name >> transmogrifies over to ICANN? Horse puckey. > >It's no more hors

Re: [IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says court

1999-03-26 Thread Michael Sondow
Bill Lovell a écrit: > > ICANN is saying that > as soon as I tell one of the registrars what that name is, and tell them > I want to park it there, then the ownership of that domain name > transmogrifies over to ICANN? Horse puckey. It's no more horse puckey, I'm afraid, than the restrictive all

Re: [IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says court

1999-03-25 Thread Jeff Williams
Stef and all, It has been readily apparent that from the beginning of the ICANN formation that they were intending to claim ownership of all of the information even remotely related to DN's, IP addresses, and Protocols. This was plainly evident in the discussions over the bylaws as I recall.

Re: [IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says court

1999-03-25 Thread Bill Lovell
At 12:08 AM 3/25/99 -0800, you wrote: >Thanks Bill -- I have been making that point now for about two years, >and you are the first person to restate it in other words! > >I welcome your support for the concept that ICANN is claiming to onw >things that they have not been conceived. > >My claim is

Re: [IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says court

1999-03-25 Thread Einar Stefferud
Thanks Bill -- I have been making that point now for about two years, and you are the first person to restate it in other words! I welcome your support for the concept that ICANN is claiming to onw things that they have not been conceived. My claim is that the "ICANN owns all names" business mod

Re: [IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says court

1999-03-25 Thread Bill Lovell
At 11:49 PM 3/24/99 -0500, you wrote: The name may be property, but it's the property >of ICANN, and leased not to the registrant but to the registrar, who >acts in the name of and retains the prerogatives of the property >owner, ICANN. Well, we'll see about that. I have in my mind right now a d

[IFWP] Re: [dnsproc-en] Re: Domain Names are property, says court

1999-03-24 Thread Michael Sondow
joop a écrit: > > Regardless of the merits of the case. > It strengthens the legal position of Domain Name holders, who can now at > least call themselves owners without having to argue about it. I don't think so, Joop. The position of the domain name holder depends on the holder's contractual re