Re: [pfSense] Enumerating NAT Hops - Information Disclosure - TTL++ mangle.

2014-07-12 Thread Chris Buechler
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Blake Cornell wrote: > Its a TCP traceroute, not UDP nor ICMP. I need to provide TCP based > services. > > I would prefer staying within the framework of the interface or nominal BSD > magic. > Makes a little more sense in that context, but the point still stands,

Re: [pfSense] Enumerating NAT Hops - Information Disclosure - TTL++ mangle.

2014-07-12 Thread Adrian Wenzel
ginal Message - > From: "Walter Parker" > To: "pfSense Support and Discussion Mailing List" > > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 11:42:07 PM > Subject: Re: [pfSense] Enumerating NAT Hops - Information Disclosure > - TTL++ mangle. > Then you stuck with

Re: [pfSense] Enumerating NAT Hops - Information Disclosure - TTL++ mangle.

2014-07-12 Thread Walter Parker
Then you stuck with setting up reverse proxies for those services. Walter On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Blake Cornell < bcorn...@integrissecurity.com> wrote: > Its a TCP traceroute, not UDP nor ICMP. I need to provide TCP based > services. > > I would prefer staying within the framework of

Re: [pfSense] Enumerating NAT Hops - Information Disclosure - TTL++ mangle.

2014-07-12 Thread Blake Cornell
Its a TCP traceroute, not UDP nor ICMP. I need to provide TCP based services. I would prefer staying within the framework of the interface or nominal BSD magic. -- Blake Cornell CTO, Integris Security LLC 501 Franklin Ave, Suite 200 Garden City, NY 11530 USA http://www.integrissecurity.com/ O: +

Re: [pfSense] Enumerating NAT Hops - Information Disclosure - TTL++ mangle.

2014-07-12 Thread Chris Buechler
I don't see the point. If you don't want people to see the path, don't allow traceroute in (or stop it after the first NAT). If you do, what do you care if the layers of NAT can be enumerated. If anything even remotely useful to an attacker can be done to your network because someone knows how many

Re: [pfSense] Enumerating NAT Hops - Information Disclosure - TTL++ mangle.

2014-07-10 Thread Blake Cornell
I would put it on a report as an issue.. further more... no comment -- Blake Cornell CTO, Integris Security LLC 501 Franklin Ave, Suite 200 Garden City, NY 11530 USA http://www.integrissecurity.com/ O: +1(516)750-0478 M: +1(516)900-2193 PGP: CF42 5262 AE68 4AC7 591B 2C5B C34C 7FAB 4660 F

Re: [pfSense] Enumerating NAT Hops - Information Disclosure - TTL++ mangle.

2014-07-10 Thread Walter Parker
I disagree that this is a vulnerability/weakness. If this is truly your only issue with the network, I'd call it good and done if you are not the DOD/NSA. If you are, then you need to start again with an even more secure foundation. Walter On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Blake Cornell < bcorn

Re: [pfSense] Enumerating NAT Hops - Information Disclosure - TTL++ mangle.

2014-07-10 Thread Blake Cornell
There is a reason for it. It works well except for this ONE issue. I like setting up 0 vulnerability/weakness networks. This is the only one minus presentation/application issues. Thank you both for your input. I'll touch base when I determine a resolution strategy. -- Blake Cornell CTO, Integr

Re: [pfSense] Enumerating NAT Hops - Information Disclosure - TTL++ mangle.

2014-07-10 Thread James Bensley
Further to what Walter has said - Double NATB! ___ List mailing list List@lists.pfsense.org https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list

Re: [pfSense] Enumerating NAT Hops - Information Disclosure - TTL++ mangle.

2014-07-10 Thread Walter Parker
I think you might have a misconception in your request. Whe you say: >To resolve this issue I need to "mangle" forwarded IP packets by >incrementing their TTL by 1. This would effectively hide the above >included results. If anyone knows how to do this either through the web >interface or throug

Re: [pfSense] Enumerating NAT Hops - Information Disclosure - TTL++ mangle.

2014-07-10 Thread Blake Cornell
Any thoughts anyone? -- Blake Cornell CTO, Integris Security LLC 501 Franklin Ave, Suite 200 Garden City, NY 11530 USA http://www.integrissecurity.com/ O: +1(516)750-0478 M: +1(516)900-2193 PGP: CF42 5262 AE68 4AC7 591B 2C5B C34C 7FAB 4660 F572 Free Tools: https://www.integrissecurity.com/Securit

[pfSense] Enumerating NAT Hops - Information Disclosure - TTL++ mangle.

2014-07-03 Thread Blake Cornell
Hello, I have a pfSense network that uses multiple layers of NAT translation. Public IP's are mapped to specific NAT addresses using a 1 to 1 mapping on the edge device. The packets are then forwarded to another pfSense device using another layer of NAT translation. Ex: public ip -> NAT network