Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-04 Thread Micky Mourelo
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Micky, you seem to misunderstand what I mean. When I say consistency across the site, I mean that you should be consistent in your approach on every page. I.e. if you decide to mark up your site title as H1, then you should also mark it up as H1 on every other page of

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-04 Thread Micky Mourelo
Patrick: From your previous reply, you seemed to think that I was advocating something like: h1My site/h1 h4Subsection 1.1/h4 No, that's not what I thought. No, because that's not valid. H1 can't be inside a P. Wow! I had missed that, silly me, you are so right... Anyway, I'd never do

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-03 Thread sharron
Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title Jay Gilmore wrote: Can you give a code example of how it is that you're using your DL? What's the term, what's the description? From earlier in this thread: dl dtSite Name/dt dd Site Tagline / Description /dd /dl So what would you do

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-03 Thread Jay Gilmore
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for what for some may be a silly question, but may I please ask, dl, dt and dd and their closing tags, what are they? They refer to definition lists. The dl is the definition list element, dt is placed within that and it is the definition term. dd is the

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-03 Thread Ric Raftis
for some may be a silly question, but may I please ask, dl, dt and dd and their closing tags, what are they? - Original Message - From: Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-03 Thread sharron
. - Original Message - From: Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for what for some may be a silly question, but may I please ask, dl, dt

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-03 Thread Jay Gilmore
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I certainly did read the entire thread, thus my question. I was stumped as to basis of the initial question. The more I read the less I understood. As for asking silly questions, I would assume that I am not the only person absolutely in wonder when reading the list

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-03 Thread Joseph Bernhardt
Jay Gilmore wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I certainly did read the entire thread, thus my question. I was stumped as to basis of the initial question. The more I read the less I understood. As for asking silly questions, I would assume that I am not the only person absolutely in wonder

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-03 Thread Ian Anderson
Herrod, Lisa wrote: My interpretation of this issue is that we're talking about the consistent application of hierarchical elements and therefore, their semantic meaning to a user. Who are the typical users who rely on this type of element/markup? Well, absolutely. My main concern is screen

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-03 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Ian Anderson wrote: I find a useful rule of thumb is to imagine what the page should look like in an ideal situation if you were to print it. The site name would be no more than a footnote repeated on each page. And that's probably where some other people (notably site owners, perhaps) may

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-03 Thread Ian Anderson
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Hmmm...not necessarily. Many of the screen reader users I've observed and spoken to get up a list of headings, which gives far more information about the current document than links, which traditionally point to *other things*. Why would I get up a list of links to

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-02 Thread Ian Anderson
Jay Gilmore wrote: I got that but what do you then wrap it in so its level of importance is suggested in the unstyled format if you don't use an hn? I think the question is, what _is_ its level of importance? I believe that for accessibility it's important that the site title should _not_

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-02 Thread Ben Ward
I vary, depending on the site content. First up, 'article' content (or whatever you want to call to main content of a page) always gets an h1. But I'll also give h1 to other top-level parts of the site. In this case, I often find that the Site Title is an appropriate heading for the main, global

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-02 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Jay Gilmore wrote: Can you give a code example of how it is that you're using your DL? What's the term, what's the description? From earlier in this thread: dl dtSite Name/dt dd Site Tagline / Description /dd /dl So what would you do if there is no tagline/description? P -- Patrick H.

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-02 Thread Lea de Groot
Jay Gilmore wrote: I have been cleaning up development templates and I want to know what people's opinions or views are for element usage for the site title / company name etc. Over time, I've found that I've evolved the following pattern as a 'standard' for 'simplest solution' on most

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-02 Thread Ben Ward
I vary, depending on the site content. First up, 'article' content (or whatever you want to call to main content of a page) always gets an h1. But I'll also give h1 to other top-level parts of the site. In this case, I often find that the Site Title is an appropriate heading for the main, global

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-02 Thread Ian Anderson
Jay Gilmore wrote: I got that but what do you then wrap it in so its level of importance is suggested in the unstyled format if you don't use an hn? I think the question is, what _is_ its level of importance? I believe that for accessibility it's important that the site title should _not_

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-02 Thread Jay Gilmore
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Jay Gilmore wrote: Can you give a code example of how it is that you're using your DL? What's the term, what's the description? From earlier in this thread: dl dtSite Name/dt dd Site Tagline / Description /dd /dl So what would you do if there is no

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-02 Thread Lea de Groot
Jay Gilmore wrote: I have been cleaning up development templates and I want to know what people's opinions or views are for element usage for the site title / company name etc. Over time, I've found that I've evolved the following pattern as a 'standard' for 'simplest solution' on most

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-02 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Ian Anderson wrote: I believe that for accessibility it's important that the site title should _not_ be in H1, but rather the main page heading should be, which should be the same as or similar to the HTML title attribute. It's worth pointing out, though, that if somebody does have their

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-03-31 Thread Jay Gilmore
I agree with your H1 usage for page titles and would continue what you have been doing; unless, of course, the page title IS the site title (ie. homepage of website) then I would use H1 for the company name/site title. Most people (myself included) use images for the site title/company name

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-03-31 Thread Jay Gilmore
Micky Mourelo wrote: ...a Wikipedia article should have H1 for the article name, and WIKIPEDIA wouldn't go on a Hn. I got that but what do you then wrap it in so its level of importance is suggested in the unstyled format if you don't use an hn? How about dl dtSite Name/dt dd Site Tagline

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-03-31 Thread Micky Mourelo
In that case, the wikipedia one, I am suggesting that Wikipedia has no relevance, provided it is included in TITLE, and you are under that domain, so to the document in question is of little relevance, IMHO. I too have dl'itis, it is hard not to see every document as a dl, and every part of it as