Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-19 Thread Mike
Hey Mike, Would you mind filling in some gaps that I dont know about on your build? I think I got something really close to a "guess"timation. gear ratio rear tire size new weight of bike and your weight (if your dont want to tell me I gonna say 215 :-P ) Sure thing... Gear Ratio: 1:4.23529

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-19 Thread lyle sloan
Man, this parallels what I was thinking. Except I wanted to show it in a graph. I will post as soon as I get mike's info Andrew Wowk wrote: > Say you are pulling 200 amps with one etek running > at any voltage: > > 200 * .033 ohms (terminal resistance) = 6.6v * 200 = > 1320 watts in heat th

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-19 Thread lyle sloan
Hey Mike, Would you mind filling in some gaps that I dont know about on your build? I think I got something really close to a "guess"timation. gear ratio rear tire size new weight of bike and your weight (if your dont want to tell me I gonna say 215 :-P ) I was trying to figure this out for da

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-18 Thread Andrew Wowk
Jeff: Baffles me, the idea to overlook cooling air in the design of the motor...why not mae the housing of aluminum with cooling fins or just have fins in the existing frame The etek was probably extensively tested in its designed-for application. I bet if you stayed within the manufacturer

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-18 Thread Mike
I have a brushless Etek but I haven't spun it up yet. I am still a n00b on these things but from the controller research I have done it seems to But aren't we all? It's not like you see electric motorcycles scooting all over the place. Maybe I should rephrase... I haven'l blown up a motor o

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-18 Thread Mike
Either will be dangerously hot. You were measuring the outside casting though and the heat is generated in the coils which I expect got quite a bit hotter at least for a short time. So, anyone care to guestimate what temp one wants to keep a spinning etek under? Like Chris says, the spinning

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-18 Thread Johnathan Vail
Mike wrote: I have a brushless Etek but I haven't spun it up yet. I am still a n00b on these things but from the controller research I have done it seems to But aren't we all? It's not like you see electric motorcycles scooting all over the place. Maybe I should rephrase... I haven'l bl

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-18 Thread Mike
I have a brushless Etek but I haven't spun it up yet. I am still a n00b on these things but from the controller research I have done it seems to But aren't we all? It's not like you see electric motorcycles scooting all over the place. -- The Electric Motorcycle Portal http://www.electric

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-18 Thread Jeff Blamey
on. Waiting on fans... man-o-man this is fun!! Jeff -Original Message- >From: Johnathan Vail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jul 18, 2007 10:26 AM >To: ElectricMotorcycles >Subject: Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie > > >On Wed, July 1

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-18 Thread Johnathan Vail
On Wed, July 18, 2007 11:15 am, Chris Tromley wrote: > I'm very heavily on Damon's side on this one. The Etek seems to be a > wonderful device, but it is very intolerant of operation outside its > design envelope. An EM leans on that envelope pretty hard. > > I wonder if the new brushless versi

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-18 Thread Chris Tromley
On 7/17/07, damon henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've got no ideas about your DC to DC, but this is why I always recommend the 6.7 inch series wound motors over Eteks. It's not that they can't do the job, but they are too easy to fry. Too many amps either undoes all the solder or demagnatizes

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-18 Thread Johnathan Vail
On Wed, July 18, 2007 9:54 am, Mike wrote: >>Did you mean 160F or C? I have read the latest temps after pushing >>the PMG pretty heavily (200 down to > > Fahrenheit is what I'm pretty sure the thermo was set on but now > you've got me wondering. Surely the solder that holds it all > together can

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-18 Thread Mike
Did you mean 160F or C? I have read the latest temps after pushing the PMG pretty heavily (200 down to Fahrenheit is what I'm pretty sure the thermo was set on but now you've got me wondering. Surely the solder that holds it all together can't melt at 160F? 100 amps for some 20 seconds o

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-17 Thread Jeff Blamey
ElectricMotorcycles >Subject: Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie > >>Wow. Mike when you kill 'em, you kill 'em dead as a hammer. > >I remember my first year in college. I had an instructor who told >me, "If it's worth doing, it's wo

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-17 Thread damon henry
l, and yes they are efficient, but the lack of thermal mass is a big part of the reason why they are easily destroyed. damon From: Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: ElectricMotorcycles To: ElectricMotorcycles Subject: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie Date: Tue,

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-17 Thread Mike
Wow. Mike when you kill 'em, you kill 'em dead as a hammer. I remember my first year in college. I had an instructor who told me, "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right." He never did anything half way. He's my hero to this day. Ha ha. separately excited motor (no field to excite).

Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-17 Thread Doug Starwalt
; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ElectricMotorcycles" Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: [ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie Stick a fork in it. I think it's done.

[ElectricMotorcycles] Throw another Etek on the barbie

2007-07-17 Thread Mike
Stick a fork in it. I think it's done. It was pretty spectacular and very, very smelly. I'd would have thought they used blue smoke in it like other electrical stuff but it was dark gray. How they get that much smoke into something so small is beyond me. Too many amps for too long is my in