Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Noted Sam. I agree I think we really need to have an idea where we are going. I think I will try and work on a road map with my ideas etc and once its done post it to the list. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Sam Duff wrote: > I think Tres makes some great points in the quoted post. We can't

Re: [LMMS-devel] How about a big, big 1-hour challenge?

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I see one issue here. with only one solution. We will need a place to submit the entries, the thing then becomes that we will need to block any uploads after that hour is up. in other words not accept any submissions for the competition after that point. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 10:55 PM, Sam Duff

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
The biggest problem I see is that if we use macports it will be a bit harder to bump dependency versions. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Tres Finocchiaro < tres.finocchi...@gmail.com> wrote: > If you want to make the laundry list of wgets and tar -xcf's, be my guest > but this build has its de

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
If you want to make the laundry list of wgets and tar -xcf's, be my guest but this build has its dependencies met and should build without vst or mallets, both of which are doable given a few more hours. In its current form, we have wiki instructions that are 95% complete for a first build. The

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Tres I still think we need an OS check and avoid mac ports as toby mentioned yesterday, and secondly I think with that os check we should check the compiler. I know it would probably be a bit more work, but I dont think xcode will allow you to work with gcc any more. I could be wrong on that. On

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
My progress for the night (if you want to call it that) https://github.com/tresf/qz-print/wiki/Compile-LMMS-for-OSX-Mavericks Ok, so I went the MacPorts route and it was going pretty well until I hit a few Clangs... :) https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/6345473/2480423/fc1508c6-b0bb-11e3-8855-a78b

[LMMS-devel] How about a big, big 1-hour challenge?

2014-03-20 Thread davidnimmersatt
My Idea is that many LMMS musicians start creating a Track, all on the same (basic) Melody, all at the same time. All participants have to be completely finished within one hour. So I would suggest that we all meet on irc somehow and then we start all together and make like a happy, funny hour ou

Re: [LMMS-devel] How about a big, big 1-hour challenge?

2014-03-20 Thread Sam Duff
Love this idea. Me and my brother do this. It was how we got into LMMS and really, it improved our knowledge of LMMS immensely. Doing it all at the same time is super fun, but could be impractical for a lot of people given time-zones. Perhaps participants have to do a screencast of their 1 hour an

Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread Sam Duff
I think Tres makes some great points in the quoted post. We can't just burden Toby with tax problems and we do need an organisation formed to be able to take care of these issues in a 'non-partisan' manner. However, as Tres indicates, we need goals. Money without direction is truly a burden, contra

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
Not everybody on the mailing list uses Google Docs so I would prefer to keep it with the source code the problem with using the issue tracker is we cannot edit each others comments I would prefer to keep it in a wiki article for now if that is OK. I would like author capabilities on the wiki anywa

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I would give you those permissions but I'm not sure if toby has wiki editors put in a special group on github On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Tres Finocchiaro < tres.finocchi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not everybody on the mailing list uses Google Docs so I would prefer to > keep it with the sourc

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
If you like we can file any issues I have on the issue tracker on my fork if you like. I think though for you and me google docs is a good way to start at first until we have something that works in terms of building on mac. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Tres Finocchiaro < tres.finocchi...@gma

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
Toby/Jonathan, Can I be granted GitHub wiki authoring capabilities for new pages so that we have a centralized place for OSX build related instructions? (tresf) I want to start at least experimenting with the dependencies script tonight and I want to make sure Jonathan and I aren't duplicating an

Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Anything is possible on tue website On 20 Mar 2014 20:05, "I'm Umcaruje" wrote: > Hey guys, > First of all Tres, thanks for the kind words :) But I wasn't in this > alone, a lot of people helped me. Thanks to Haanu for helping anout the > graphics, also thanks to all the judges (members of Aveloc

Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread I'm Umcaruje
Hey guys, First of all Tres, thanks for the kind words :) But I wasn't in this alone, a lot of people helped me. Thanks to Haanu for helping anout the graphics, also thanks to all the judges (members of Avelocity) for helping out. As for the sales, I'll make sure to keep you updated. I had a idea a

Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I am honestly not sure. I still cant come to grips on how SF does things. > I find it rather user hostile imho but that could be just me. > Well you don't think Toby writes our usernames and passwords to text files, do you!? :) -

Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I am honestly not sure. I still cant come to grips on how SF does things. I find it rather user hostile imho but that could be just me. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Tres Finocchiaro < tres.finocchi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Aquilina > wrote: > >> Wor

Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Wordpress i doubt it, as it needs a database backend. > What is LSP using? -Tres -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book "Graph Databases" is the

Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Wordpress i doubt it, as it needs a database backend. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Tres Finocchiaro < tres.finocchi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In terms of money I would like to start providing nightly builds for those >> audio enthusiasts which are adventerous. Also I would like to introduce a

Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> In terms of money I would like to start providing nightly builds for those > audio enthusiasts which are adventerous. Also I would like to introduce a > patch review system called gerrit into the fray as well which gives us > better control over the patches and quality of code that goes in. > > I

Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
In terms of money I would like to start providing nightly builds for those audio enthusiasts which are adventerous. Also I would like to introduce a patch review system called gerrit into the fray as well which gives us better control over the patches and quality of code that goes in. It would be

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Ok I am in agreement with you guys :) now to get the list of dependencies :) if possible and I can get things rolling on my macbook tonight :) and maybe have a commit ready to pull soon. Toby what woudl be the best way to have cmake determine the os its on and if these dependencies need to be pull

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > The download links always contain version numbers. As long as we do > not touch our script, you will always download the same version. > Furthermore it's much easier to simply change the version number in > the script than managing our host

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Very valid point. Besides the two in the pervious email, what other stuff would we need to download in terms of dependencies? On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > The download links always contain version numbers. As long as we do > not touch our script, you will always down

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tobias Doerffel
The download links always contain version numbers. As long as we do not touch our script, you will always download the same version. Furthermore it's much easier to simply change the version number in the script than managing our hosted tarballs (where you would have to change the script anyways du

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Toby what worries me is the versions. in the sense I might pull a newer > version and then we have things go horrendously wrong. I am thinking with > a centralized ftp server you have control over the versions of things we > use. > They

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Toby what worries me is the versions. in the sense I might pull a newer version and then we have things go horrendously wrong. I am thinking with a centralized ftp server you have control over the versions of things we use. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > I don't see w

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> > Tres woudl you be willing to provide nightly builds with your machine? > My machine is a hosted VPS service so I cannot easily offer a build environment. Hosting the files is a possibility and we can establish an FTP upload for that if you wish. -Tres ---

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > I don't see why we need a server for this? What's the problem with > writing a script which contains lines like > > wget *...* > +1 -- Learn Graph Databases - Down

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tobias Doerffel
I don't see why we need a server for this? What's the problem with writing a script which contains lines like wget http://sourceforge.net/projects/fluidsynth/files/fluidsynth-1.1.6/fluidsynth-1.1.6.tar.bz2 wget http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/files/libsndfile-1.0.25.tar.gz and so on? As said

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I think though tres it woudl be good if toby could maintain this as he would know the versions of libs he woudl want to use and if we shoudl bump them all he has to do is throw them on his server. Tres woudl you be willing to provide nightly builds with your machine? On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
Jonathan, Reminder, I can provide an ftp mirror at any time. -Tres - tres.finocchi...@gmail.com On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Toby sadly Mac doesnt work that way. > > When it comes to making the installers it lumps everything into the > executable if you want to

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Toby sadly Mac doesnt work that way. When it comes to making the installers it lumps everything into the executable if you want to call it that. that is why you just drag the file to the applications folder and that is it for installing. Toby is it possible to set an ftp server up to where we can

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tobias Doerffel
All I do is download the source tarballs from the official project websites whenever there's an update and put them into a Debian package where according rule and control files describe the cross compilation build and package process. Examples: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/165899765/mingw-x-flui

Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> > Does someone know if it is possible how many people bought the album, and > what > they offered on average? I really can not find it :( > Uros manages the bandcamp page. He is the author of this email thread. The paypal however is directed to toby's paypal (matching the donate link on our ho

Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Who ever created the account on that site probably can. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Johannes Lorenz < johanne...@mailueberfall.de> wrote: > Cool. > > Does someone know if it is possible how many people bought the album, and > what > they offered on average? I really can not find it :( > > A

Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread Johannes Lorenz
Cool. Does someone know if it is possible how many people bought the album, and what they offered on average? I really can not find it :( Am Donnerstag, 20. März 2014, 10:43:01 schrieb I'm Umcaruje: > The album is finnaly released! > Get the album: http://lmmsartists.bandcamp.com/ > Listen to th

Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Tres you have now given me an idea. With a new site and if toby is up for this I can work on putting together an ecommerce store, and again we need a domain name, but we could actually sell these Cd's mugs etc. This money earned can be used to fun buying proper build hardware as well as put toget

Re: [LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
Uros, great work on putting this together. I was listening to it on the ride in and there's some fantastic work out there. I'm also glad you rearranged the track order. Does bandcamp offer CDs? I know the idea is a bit antiquated, but I would like to get a copy of this to share! :) Again, grea

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Agreed here as well. What I am very curious about is where does Toby pull the source code for the dependencies. I am thinking we can and should be able to use the same LMMS repositories toby uses to pull in the dependencies for windows On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Tres Finocchiaro < tres.fino

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> > My goal is to avoid using mac ports all together and pull the dependencies > from an ftp server or the like > Yeah, I'm hoping we lean in that direction too, but that's what I'm worried about... It may not be as easy as we are describing to cherry-pick what we need. I'm hoping Toby's experie

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Tres I have used macports, It compiles said packages for you. One thing with macports is I have used it and I find it hard when I uninstall something to remove the stuff installed by mac ports. My goal is to avoid using mac ports all together and pull the dependencies from an ftp server or the like

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
@Toby, So from your statement, you've already done this for Windows, correct? So the main advantage of MacPorts is that is does the heavy lifting for the source dependencies? From your knowledge does MacPorts need to make changes for these dependencies to compile or could we make what would be t

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Wouldnt that be an easier way to go for at least mac and windows? On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > Sure you can prepare downloads, write a script etc. This still does > not solve the issue that you have to take care of building each > library individually. So, just write

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tobias Doerffel
Sure you can prepare downloads, write a script etc. This still does not solve the issue that you have to take care of building each library individually. So, just write a script which downloads, configures, builds, installs every dependency. Of course we can include this script in our repository.

Re: [LMMS-devel] Ubuntu package

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
question as I noticed mp3 support was suggested to be dropped. Is the ffmpeg library free to use? if yes why cant we use that and still keep mp3 support? On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Israel wrote: > Audacity uses a depends on an mp3 library (there are more than one that > can provide this,

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
The way I have seen libreoffice do this is they have an ftp server that downloads the necessary stuff to ones system before starting compilation. Couldnt we do the same with the dependencies regardless of the platform? On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > Again, it wouldn'

Re: [LMMS-devel] Ubuntu package

2014-03-20 Thread Israel
Audacity uses a depends on an mp3 library (there are more than one that can provide this, either free or proprietary) In Linux (unlike Windows... and possibly Mac) all the libraries are installed into expected locations. Each program uses those centrally installed libraries (no dynamically li

[LMMS-devel] Best of LMMS Vol.1 is out on Bandcamp

2014-03-20 Thread I'm Umcaruje
The album is finnaly released! Get the album: http://lmmsartists.bandcamp.com/ Listen to the winners and honorable mentions on Soundcloud: http://goo.gl/tNvpHG Listen to all the entries: http://goo.gl/xybA1y Thanks for everyone who submitted! Best regards, Uroš

Re: [LMMS-devel] Proposal: Fitting UI elements to be used in Qt Designer

2014-03-20 Thread Vesa
On 03/20/2014 10:33 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > You mention finding the code. If you are on linux you could probably > grep what you want to find in a particular code base if you know what > you are looking for. > Eh, no need for that really. It's easy to just go through all the GUI code, it's

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Tobias Doerffel
Again, it wouldn't change *anything* even if we would add Qt project files and/or bundle the sources of the about 10-15 external libraries. These libraries all are independent projects which still need to be built for the target platform using their individual and specific build system (some use au

Re: [LMMS-devel] Proposal: Fitting UI elements to be used in Qt Designer

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
You mention finding the code. If you are on linux you could probably grep what you want to find in a particular code base if you know what you are looking for. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Vesa wrote: > On 03/20/2014 10:17 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > I couldnt agree more with you on th

Re: [LMMS-devel] Proposal: Fitting UI elements to be used in Qt Designer

2014-03-20 Thread Vesa
On 03/20/2014 10:17 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I couldnt agree more with you on the stable API for theming. My > question and challenge for you is this is there alot of work to go > into migrating every aspect of a theme to css? > Mostly it's just finding every paintevent in the code, adding q

Re: [LMMS-devel] Proposal: Fitting UI elements to be used in Qt Designer

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I couldnt agree more with you on the stable API for theming. My question and challenge for you is this is there alot of work to go into migrating every aspect of a theme to css? On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Vesa wrote: > On 03/20/2014 10:03 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > Have any of these

Re: [LMMS-devel] Proposal: Fitting UI elements to be used in Qt Designer

2014-03-20 Thread Vesa
On 03/20/2014 10:03 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Have any of these that have been mentioned been filed as enhancement > requests in the tracker? Also are these set as milestones for 1.1? > No these aren't filed in the tracker yet but I might put them there at some point, maybe. These are definit

Re: [LMMS-devel] Proposal: Fitting UI elements to be used in Qt Designer

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Have any of these that have been mentioned been filed as enhancement requests in the tracker? Also are these set as milestones for 1.1? On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Vesa wrote: > On 03/19/2014 06:37 PM, Johannes Lorenz wrote: > > Hi again, > > > > so you'd suggest to simply add > > > >

Re: [LMMS-devel] Building LMMS for OSX

2014-03-20 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Tres I can help out with that as I have a monster imac with lots of ram and cpu power. I think the biggest issue isnt using mac ports. I think the biggest issue is ensuring the dependencies are met. To be honest I do not understand why for the sake of mac we dont bundle them in the repo. Or have th