Re: Proposal

2007-01-23 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hola, As a user of both Nagios and log4j, I'd be very interested in this. Yoav On 1/22/07, Jar Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Log4j Community, I have just updated my sourceforge project for the NagiosAppender (http://sourceforge.net/projects/nagiosappender), and I would like to know if there

Re: XMLSocketHubReceiver available - answer to Scott Deboy e-mail

2006-11-21 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, No, the ASF does not require a CLA from people contributing patches via an issue tracker. Only committers. If contributors want to sign a CLA, they can, but it's by no means required. Yoav On 11/20/06, Scott Deboy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does LS or Apache -require- a CLA from one-time

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Please welcome Elias Ross as a new Log4j committer

2006-11-21 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, On 11/20/06, Jacob Kjome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Congratulations Elias! You are the newest committer of the Log4j team. Welcome! Yoav, Curt, or someone else in the know about infrastructure stuff; can you get Elias set up properly? Welcome aboard Elias! ;) The rough order of infras

Re: XMLSocketHubReceiver available - answer to Scott Deboy e-mail

2006-11-21 Thread Yoav Shapira
Remember values as bookmarkable template". Is there something wrong with my user profile? Thomas Raddatz. Yoav Shapira schrieb: > Hi, > Click the "Create a new attachment" link under the Summary field, and > follow the directions there. > > Yoav > > On 11/20/06, Th

Re: XMLSocketHubReceiver available - answer to Scott Deboy e-mail

2006-11-21 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, Click the "Create a new attachment" link under the Summary field, and follow the directions there. Yoav On 11/20/06, Thomas Raddatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Curt, How do I attach a file to a bug report? Do I have to use the "URL:" field? http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?p

New signing key

2006-11-14 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, This is just an FYI to projects whose releases I've signed in the past. Nothing urgent, and no action required on your part. Phil, I'm also CCing you as I believe I signed your key with my old bad one - sorry about that. PGP went nuts on me last week, and after a couple of days of trying to

Re: Anybody home?

2006-11-14 Thread Yoav Shapira
Good, then let's start a vote. BTW, Curt's view on CLA before committer nomination, while pragmatic, is not reflective of all ASF projects or the guidelines. Every other ASF project I've been involved with nominated committers as they see fit, and if after nomination the committer can't sign a C

Re: Vote to elevate Elias Ross to Log4j committer status

2006-11-14 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, +1 to Elias as a committer. Jake, don't worry about formalities ;) The only minor thing I would have done is put [VOTE] at the beginning of the subject line, as that's somewhat of a tradition. But it's not important enough to start a new thread or change the topic of this one. When this vo

Re: Anybody home?

2006-11-12 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, On 11/12/06, Jacob Kjome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe its time for new blood? If existing Log4j developers can't put in the time necessary to move things along as fast as the community would like, then it might be time to accept some new developers from the community that are willing t

Re: Anybody home?

2006-11-12 Thread Yoav Shapira
It's been quiet, I imagine others (like me) are busy. These outstanding issues you're talking about, do they have patches attached in Bugzilla? Yoav On 11/12/06, Elias Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Perhaps the committers left for a sabbatical, but I was wondering if Log4J development is sti

Re: Site tagging (was Re: [VOTE] log4j 1.2.14 release)

2006-09-14 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, On 9/14/06, Curt Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm fine with tagging site to reflect its state at the time of log4j 1.2.14 release. Since its content doesn't affect log4j-1.2.14 itself, I'd like to tag it as the new content is pushed out assuming a favorable vote on the release of log4j

Re: [VOTE] log4j 1.2.14 release

2006-09-14 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, +1 to the release after some medium-strength testing (running it on a dev server in an app that uses log4j for a couple of hours) and looking at the distros. Two comments: On 9/14/06, Curt Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If release of the vote passes, the archives will be renamed to remo

Re: jmx-extra.jar

2006-08-08 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, jmx-extra is not a jar, it's the property name. Set it to the location of jmxtools.jar if you have it. The jmxtools.jar file is the Sun JMX toolkit implementation (as opposed to the API jar). You can get it from java.sun.com, read more about it at http://java.sun.com/developer/JDCTechTips/2

Re: building log4j

2006-08-08 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, In the past I've downloaded JMS (API) from java.sun.com and put it where the build.properties indicates. I was surprised by, but didn't have time to pursue, the fact JMS should be optional and not cause the build to fail. Yoav On 8/8/06, Ted Yu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Although JMS i

Re: obtaining build for rev 426073

2006-08-08 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, Is there a formally tagged build newer than that rev ? AFAIK no. Also, how can I setup svn so that I can check out the source ? http://www.apache.org/dev/#svn. Yoav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For add

Re: obtaining build for rev 426073

2006-08-08 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, Create it yourself, using something like this: %svn co http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/log4j/[EMAIL PROTECTED] trunk (you can also use the svn co -r switch if you prefer that syntax) %cd trunk %ant dist That's it. I doubt we have a formally tagged built for that rev. Yoav On 8/8/

Re: Alpha 9 release date

2006-07-26 Thread Yoav Shapira
e you still show mid 2006 as a final release - I guess that should be updated to late 2006. Thanks, Kris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yoav Shapira Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 3:00 PM To: Log4J Developers List Subject: Re: Alpha 9 rel

Re: Alpha 9 release date

2006-07-26 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hey, We made a promise to our Marketing Department to have it out by today, so we've all been working days and nights the past couple of weeks, but unfortunately... ... just kidding of course. Like most other FOSS projects and virtually all Apache ones, we don't have exact planned release dates.

Re: [VOTE] was Re: [DISCUSS] Migrate log4j-concurrent from sandbox to trunk

2006-07-21 Thread Yoav Shapira
+1. Yoav On 7/21/06, Elias Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 14:09 -0700, Elias Ross wrote: > This should get you the source. > > svn co http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/sandbox/log4j/concurrent log4j-concurrent > > I'd like to put out a vote in the next week. I wo

Re: Contributing with a Configurable Hibernate Appender - 4 David Castro can i release my work on Apache License 2.0?

2006-07-05 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, [OT] a good plaste to start with JUnit? if i remember weel it's for "black box" testing while a log appender need to do some output Google for any one of a million JUnit tutorials out there, including on junit.org itself. And as previously mentioned, take a look at existing tests to s

Re: Contributing with a Configurable Hibernate Appender - 4 David Castro can i release my work on Apache License 2.0?

2006-07-04 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, You mean i submit a new bug?!?!?! i have an account... but i didn't see any way to submit enhancement but only bug??? Open a "bug" and select "enhancement" under the severity field. i'm a newbie of JUnit... what's the best way of testing a log4j appender??? Look at the existing unit te

Re: Contributing with a Configurable Hibernate Appender

2006-06-30 Thread Yoav Shapira
Stefano, Thanks for suggesting your contribution! We always welcome new contributors and their work. See more comments inline: http://www.entwash.org/hibernate/ so i take inspiration and made a Configurable Hibernate Appender... it's the first time i develop an appender so i'm not sure of s

Re: Excel Appender

2006-05-31 Thread Yoav Shapira
Diego,Thanks for contributing!  In the future, when you have large attachments, it's better to put them in our issue tracker (http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla).The JExcel link on SourceForge doesn't work for me: it returns a 404 (file not found) error in the browser.  There's a JExcel site at htt

Re: svn access

2006-05-16 Thread Yoav Shapira
vn.apache.org) Ready Can you help me, TIA, Maciej - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Yoav Shapira Nimalex LLC 1 Mifflin Place, Suite 3

Re: [POLL] Base JDK version support for log4j 1.3?

2006-03-09 Thread Yoav Shapira
ng choice not just now, but for a couple of years in the future, given what we know about J2EE 1.5, the JVMPI / JVMDI improvements in Tiger, and other similar opportunities to put together new differentiating features, like loggers and appenders once were... Yoav -- Yoav Shapira Senior Architect

Re: Detection of design defects

2006-02-25 Thread Yoav Shapira
C, H3C 3J7, Canada www.ptidej.net > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management Cambridge, MA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.yoavshapira.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Chainsaw: New release, vote?

2006-02-24 Thread Yoav Shapira
including me, ever thought > about it. > > cheers, > > Paul > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fell

Re: [POLL] Base JDK version support for log4j 1.3?

2006-02-23 Thread Yoav Shapira
on. > > JDK 1.3 seems to be a reasonable target to me. To support JDK 1.4 as > a target, there would have to be some specific benefit identified. > > > > > > > > --------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMA

Re: website xml

2006-01-27 Thread Yoav Shapira
I've done this! :) > > cheers, > > Paul Smith > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloa

Re: log4j 1.3alpha8 build

2006-01-27 Thread Yoav Shapira
not pushing hard for the release, especially since I haven't been heavily involved with the compatibility stuff. My original message was intended to be in the "by the way, here's something to think about..." tone. -- Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fe

Re: log4j 1.3alpha8 build

2006-01-27 Thread Yoav Shapira
gt; For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management Cambridge, MA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.yoavshapira.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Upcoming log4j 1.3 alpha 8 build

2006-01-25 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, >Should we include the latest compatibility report? That would be a nice touch... Yoav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: log4j 1.3 prioritized tasks

2005-12-23 Thread Yoav Shapira
ore active in both talk and action, stuff has been getting back in. -- Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management Cambridge, MA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.yoavshapira.com - To unsubscribe, e

Re: log4j 1.3 prioritized tasks

2005-12-22 Thread Yoav Shapira
volvement from the community and more doc RFEs in Bugzilla. No documentation is ever perfect, and there is plenty of room for improvement of course, but I think log4j's documentation is not bad considering its audience of developers/engineers concerned about low-level details like logging. > But t

Re: log4j 1.3 prioritized tasks

2005-12-21 Thread Yoav Shapira
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Re: Exploration of use of Maven for site generation and build

2005-12-16 Thread Yoav Shapira
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Re: Log4j and Java 5

2005-12-02 Thread Yoav Shapira
ts of concurrency.jar worth examining for the ones of you that > are heavily into the innards of log4j, are possibly: > ConcurrentHashMap > ConcurrentReaderHashMap > ReadWriteLock > and obviously > Sync and Mutex possibly along with CondVar > > Regards, > Endre. >

Re: log4jMini/log4jME

2005-12-01 Thread Yoav Shapira
ni project moving again? Any suggestions? > > Ralph > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yoav > Shapira > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:16 > To: Log4J Developers List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: log4jMin

Re: log4jMini/log4jME

2005-12-01 Thread Yoav Shapira
with the main log4j project. I would > like to see about getting that checked in as well. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >

RE: Maven for builds instead of ant?

2005-11-18 Thread Yoav Shapira
aven for builds instead of ant? > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Yoav Shapira wrote: > > Hi, > Hey, > > -0.5 on using Maven. My experience with it has been that it's kind of > > nice for generating project documentation, but for most

Re: BSD licensed jars + Chainsaw == OK?

2005-11-13 Thread Yoav Shapira
; Incidentally JmDNS has now relicensed themselves under ASL 2.0, which > is good news for some auto-discovery stuff I'll be working on: > > http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=505375 > > I take it hosting an ASL 2.0 jar inside the CVS repo is ok? > > ch

Re: [VOTE] log4j 1.3 alpha 7 release

2005-10-24 Thread Yoav Shapira
d pages would be updated accordingly (PMC approval, of > > course). > > > > I am +1. > > > > +1, although does an alpha really need a vote? > > Jake > > > -Mark > > > > > ------

Re: Maven for builds instead of ant?

2005-10-12 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, -0.5 on using Maven. My experience with it has been that it's kind of nice for generating project documentation, but for most real-life (i.e. complex dependencies, multiple builders on different environments) projects, the setup overhead is not worth the benefits. It is also not as widely use

Re: [logging] log4j-1.2.12 at ibiblio?

2005-09-30 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > To make it clear: > I was expecting it at > > http://www.ibiblio.org/maven/log4j/jars/ > > and there it is. Provided at 23-Sep-2005 16:00. That is before > I wrote the first mail. So as I said - I am the one who seems to be blind. > So are we talking about minotaur.apache.org now? minotau

Re: [logging] log4j-1.2.12 at ibiblio?

2005-09-29 Thread Yoav Shapira
Mark, >From our perspective as Apache to committers, there is a specific directory on minotaur.apache.org into which we copy distributions and they get mirrored in ibiblio and other Maven repositories. The directory, if I recall correctly, is /www/www.apache.org/dist/java-repository/[project name]

Re: 1.3 alpha snapshot

2005-09-26 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, I'd blast it out, it's just an alpha. It's unfortunate that we've come to think of the release voting process as arduous. It should be an easy thing, 72 hours, that's it. Yoav --- Mark Womack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, since the migration is taking longer than expected, I can loo

RE: JoranConfigurator problems

2005-09-19 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > I agree, but I'm worried about the fact that our user base would rightfully > be ticked if we forced them to change something that didn't have to change: > terminology vs. semantics. We have a large user base using configs with this > terminology - let's not make life difficult on them when

Re: LGPL ok?

2005-09-01 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, Don't do it. It's a long discussion still under way, a topic of heavy debate, but the safe answer is don't do it. You can join legal-discuss for specifics. If the dependency is optional, i.e. the program will build and run without the LGPL code, and you specify the LGPL code in the NOTICE fi

RE: 1.2.12 Experimental Build

2005-08-18 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hola, I'm flying to Israel this evening for vacation, and email access will be sporadic. I have one comment below: > 3) Added a new jar that has the jndi related classes. > > Because I was now compiling with jdk 1.2, the jndi related classes > were not available (?). So, I added a new propert

RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-17 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > I wholeheartedly agree. Dropping 1.2 support "just because it's old" is > very silly - there must be some -reason- behind that choice. > > Regards, > Endre True, but the reason doesn't have to be technical. If, for a given log4j release, the marginal cost (in terms of developer time spen

RE: log4j 1.3 minimum JDK (was Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3)

2005-08-15 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hola, +1 on JDK 1.3. It's more than five years old now. If someone hasn't updated their JVM in 5 years, they're not going to update log4j from 1.2... Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management Cambridge, MA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / www.

RE: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3

2005-08-15 Thread Yoav Shapira
dled into JDK 1.3, but a > quick search did not come up with a jar for JDK 1.2. http://java.sun.com/products/jndi/downloads/index.html, click on the "Download JNDI 1.2.1" link. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management Cambridge, MA USA [EMAIL PR

Re: [VOTE] Release log4j 1.2.12rc3

2005-08-15 Thread Yoav Shapira
Yuppdy doo, +1. Yoav Quoting Mark Womack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I move that we release log4j 1.2.12rc3 as the official release of v1.2.12. We have addressed a number of annoying bugs, we have added the TRACE level. The rc candidates have been made available to the user base via email announcemen

RE: 1.2.12 Status

2005-08-05 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > > I was a bit surprised to see HISTORY.txt having separate entries for > > log4j 1.2.12-rc1 and rc2 since those builds don't have the > > endorsement of the the project and will never be part of the official > > history of log4j. In the next build, I'd wrap all the chances since > > 1.2.11

RE: [Fwd: Re: Logging Strategy/best practice]

2005-07-29 Thread Yoav Shapira
ormat, the user configuration format in their webapp is up to them. That part of the assertion in the post you quote is false. However, the doc isn't perfectly clear on this. I should probably clarify it further. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Managemen

RE: 1.2.12 Open Bug Review

2005-07-28 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > 14551, 17227, 18122, 30804, 30819 are Javadoc related. I've fixed these on the 1.2 and HEAD branches. > 26345 - may be too dangerous, need to review some more. Opinions? Save for 1.3. > 34026 - I think we should still fix this. Opinions? Minor use-case, save for 1.3. My goal is still

RE: log4j 1.2.12 status

2005-07-27 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, I use PuTTY all the time, including yesterday and today, without problems. I did update to the latest PuTTY client (v0.58 IIRC) a couple of weeks ago for an unrelated reason. I did not have to change any settings in my PUTTY clients to get it to use ssh v2, or anything like that. Yoav

RE: Another log4j 1.3 alpha?

2005-07-22 Thread Yoav Shapira
g4j-dev, and it should be short as in 72 hours from start to finish. But yes, we need a vote even for alpha/beta/rcs. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management Cambridge, MA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Mark

RE: Bug #24159

2005-07-14 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hey, I couldn't have said it better than Paul: I agree with everything he says. This is not a good 1.2 candidate, but should be a requirement for 1.3.0. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management / School of Engineering Cambridge, MA USA [EMAIL PROT

RE: [logging] Log4J forward compatibility with version 1.3

2005-07-01 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > What about just doing what the deprecation warning has been saying for all > of the 1.2 release and getting rid of Category and Priority altogether in > the 1.3 release? I think everyone has been fairly warned about it. I've been itching to do just that. +1. Yoav Shapira

RE: Log4j 1.2.9 at ibiblio

2005-06-28 Thread Yoav Shapira
. And this is not some strange bit of social engineering ;) On the contrary, I feel bad for having forgotten this... Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management Cambridge, MA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Curt

RE: log4j 1.2.11 released

2005-06-24 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, The downloads aren't working, either from the mirrors or from the main apache site. Looks like a missing slash in the directory path between "dist" and "logging" which results in a 404 error. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Manage

RE: [VOTE] log4j 1.2.11 Release

2005-06-19 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, Hmm, I could swear the Releases section in http://www.apache.org/dev/ had a thing about PGP usage. Basically, by signing a release you vouch that it's legit. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management Cambridge, MA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROT

RE: [VOTE] log4j 1.2.11 Release

2005-06-19 Thread Yoav Shapira
. signFile myproduct.zip Then you just need to input your PGP password. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management / School of Engineering Cambridge, MA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Mark Womack [mailto:[EMAIL P

RE: Running tests against different jdk versions

2005-05-28 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > This is not authorative, but I doubt that it will happen since the > resource > requirements for an "additional" JDK is immense. On brutus, a complete > build > consumed many hours, and filled up disk space like nothing else. > > Gump is currently in a state of flux, and I would suggest tha

RE: Running tests against different jdk versions

2005-05-25 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, One other suggestion: ask the Gump folks if they're willing to set up runs for us on these JDKs. They do so for other projects. What's in the run depends on us: we craft an Ant script and tell them which target to call in that file. They set up the environment according to our needs. At lea

RE: 1.2.11rc1 Build

2005-05-23 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > And the source headers still reference the 1.1 license. If we update the > license, we will need to update all the source headers. I don't know the > answer here. Ceki, Yoav, do you know the policy regarding the updating of > the license with releases like this? I guess we can always ask

RE: JCL (was Re: Unfortunate Confusion signals to market)

2005-05-23 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > Yeah, and I think that is the reason I did not seriously join the > discussion > last time. There is a lot of other stuff going across that mailing list; > more than I can filter through effectively. I don't know if it is > warranted, but other commons projects have their own mailing lists

RE: JCL (was Re: Unfortunate Confusion signals to market)

2005-05-23 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > Is there a JCL mailing list? I looked at the jakarta mailing list html > page, but did not find one listed under the common project (not between > JServe and Lucene :-). [EMAIL PROTECTED], same as other Jakarta Commons projects ;) Yoav ---

Gone for ~10 days

2005-05-13 Thread Yoav Shapira
Howdy, I'll be incommunicado for the next ~10 days, no internet, nothing ;) As I mentioned before, I have no strong objections to anything going on (release numbering, bylaws changes, etc.). If need be Mark can be my proxy vote, but I don't think that'll be necessary. Have a good weekend everyon

RE: [VOTE] Release Overview

2005-05-12 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, I largely agree with Jacob and Elias. However, I don't like the 1.4/1.5 discussion: jumping version numbers confuses users, as I found out first hand with Tomcat, even when there's good reasoning for it. > > 1) Release 1.2.11 with JMS build fix, maybe some other critical fixes > > (action ite

RE: slf4j and log4j

2005-05-03 Thread Yoav Shapira
us issues that have long-term impact on the project. It's not been business as usual. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management / School of Engineering Cambridge, MA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---

RE: Release of log4j version 1.2.10

2005-05-03 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, I suggest you read the rest of the threads (not just the original message you quoted) before ranting further ;) Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management / School of Engineering Cambridge, MA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Origi

[ANN] Log4j version 1.2.10 recalled

2005-05-01 Thread Yoav Shapira
The Apache Logging Services team is sorry to announce that we are recalling log4j version 1.2.10, due to procedural issues under discussion. Please discard copies of the release and revert to 1.2.9. We hope to make a new release, 1.2.11, available shortly. Its release notes will contain more inf

Re: [VOTE] log4j version 1.2.10

2005-04-30 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, Obviously there are already enough -1's ;) Let's pull the release off the server, as I don't think the current disclaimer is sufficient. And let's start a separate thread to discuss dependence on slf4j. I wonder if it can be done dynamically, with runtime discovery or a similar mechanism, ra

RE: Release of log4j version 1.2.10

2005-04-29 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, It would have been nice to have a vote on this release, no? ;) No big deal. Thanks for putting it together so quickly. Yoav Shapira System Design and Management Fellow MIT Sloan School of Management / School of Engineering Cambridge, MA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: JDJ - log4j vs java.util.logging

2005-03-24 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > Perception is not everything. Reality is at least as important as > perception. Moreover, not all recognition is good. For example, > take McDonalds as a widely recognized brand which is not associated > with quality. Few volunteer developers want to spend their time > creating crappy produc

RE: JDJ - log4j vs java.util.logging

2005-03-24 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hey, > the name being an advantage, to someone like me, it is a severe > disadvantage. > But I suppose I'm in the minority. It's hard to tell if you're in a minority of hating the JCL name. Others might, I totally believe it. But they *recognize* it, and that's important. > I actually like th

RE: JDJ - log4j vs java.util.logging

2005-03-24 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > So, is the only concern the brand name "JCL"? It seems to be. Yup. > If the > code is > going to be completely different and not backwards compatible with the > existing > "JCL" it isn't really "JCL", so why call it "JCL"? Because the brand name is powerful and will lead to rapid adoptio

RE: JDJ - log4j vs java.util.logging

2005-03-24 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > >I have confidence in the people (mentioned earlier, including us, the > other > >Tomcat folks, etc.) and the Apache brand. The JCL code itself will be > gone, > >replaced with our new creation, called JCL 2.0 for branding and adoption > >purposes. > > Sounds nice, but can it be done? I t

RE: JDJ - log4j vs java.util.logging

2005-03-24 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hola, > How can we have confidence when the existing JCL causes so many > problems for log4j users, especially when even the mere existence of > these problems have been denied for so long? It seems unrealistic, > doesn't it? I have confidence in the people (mentioned earlier, including us, the o

RE: JDJ - log4j vs java.util.logging

2005-03-24 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hola, > JUL was probably never designed to be a front end but rather as the Yup. > Maybe we should consider an independent project acting as a facade for the > existing alogging APIs. Comments? I'd prefer a fixed Jakarta commons-logging over a brand new project. I see a dead-end in the current

RE: Read, Think, Write - Sorry (was: Ugli as super adaptor)

2005-03-17 Thread Yoav Shapira
Boris, Don't apologize for wasting our time ;) Ideas are always welcome, especially when they're backed up with code as yours were. At the same time, be prepared to accept (and hopefully act upon) responses that say "go read the f'ing archives and then come back to us" ;) There's always room for

RE: [VOTE] Additions to the Appender interface

2005-03-01 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi Asgeir, Thanks for offering your opinion, but just so you know, the only binding votes are those of committers ;) Opinions are welcome and encouraged, however. Yoav > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 3:16 AM > To: l

RE: [VOTE] Additions to the Appender interface

2005-02-28 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > Unfortunately having both activate (overriden by internal appenders) > and activateOptions (overriden by existing custom appenders) can make > it extremely complicated to have a complex appender that performs the > exact same actions for both activate() and activateOptions(). I have > no pr

RE: [VOTE] Additions to the Appender interface

2005-02-28 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > [1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=log4j-dev&m=110874743313972&w=2 > [2] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=log4j-dev&m=110875656008077&w=2 OK, thanks, that was very useful. [] Accept the additions to the Appender interface [X] Refuse those additions [ ] Abstain I suggest the following:

RE: [VOTE] Additions to the Appender interface

2005-02-28 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, Can we have a complete list of the changes being voted upon please? I'd like to see it in one place before I vote. I'd also like to make sure alternatives are explored, although they probably have been already. For example, have an AppenderActivity interface with isClosed/isActive, and have

RE: log4j source trees

2005-02-27 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, I'm fine with that, +0. I'm also fine with waiting until our SVN move to do this type of reorganization, because SVN has additional facilities for splitting subtrees under a project that are kind of nice for this. Yoav > -Original Message- > From: Paul Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [VOTE]: Chainsaw as seperate module

2005-02-23 Thread Yoav Shapira
+1 from me as well ;) Yoav > -Original Message- > From: Paul Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:19 PM > To: log4j-dev@logging.apache.org > Subject: [VOTE]: Chainsaw as seperate module > > This is a formalization of the thread 'Chainsaw as seperate CVS

RE: sub-classing logger - mark as final?

2005-02-23 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hola, I don't think we should subclass it as final. That's a radical measure far beyond a recommendation, and we can't assume we know all the use-cases/scenarios under which people might want to subclass Logger. The above applies to most open-source code, especially utility-level stuff like log4j

RE: Chainsaw as seperate CVS module?

2005-02-23 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > There has been so much conversion to subversion recently in other areas > of Jakarta, and I'm sure I read an email somewhere that the goal was to > have everyone over to SVN by the end of the year, but I wouldn't trust > my memory on things... You read correctly: Henri Yandell sent an email

RE: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-10 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, >Is there any way we could get the Jakarta PMC and/or the ASF Board to kill >the Commons-Logging project once and for all? I doubt it. There are strong supporters for JCL within and outside the ASF. As usual, the critics tend to be louder than the supporters, but people are voting by taking

RE: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-09 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, Awesome article. Thanks for writing it and for fixing the code sections. I suggest you invite comments on commons-dev to see what the JCL people think. Another useful addition would be an expanded section on how UGLI approaches/solves these problems. Yoav -Original Message- From: Ce

Re: Do you need help with Log4J JMX documentation and maintenance

2005-01-21 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, No need to ask, just contribute ;) Help is always welcome. Look for places where you see a need, and submit enhanced docs (or code, or whatever you want) via Bugzilla. Yoav Quoting Edmon Begoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > I am available to help with documenting, and maintaing the JMX A

RE: [POLL] Splitting log4j.jar by dependency

2005-01-20 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, >Does this mean that servers like Weblogic JBoss are not properly >implementing >the servlet spec? For instance, Weblogic comes with Log4j in the classpath >because it uses Log4j for logging. Whether or not I add log4j.jar to >WEB-INF/lib, the one from the server is used. I believe there is

RE: [POLL] Splitting log4j.jar by dependency

2005-01-20 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, >> I don;t know the internals of Tomcat now, but once upon a time, the whole >> point of Catalina was exactly the above, and not a "Child First >>Behavior". If >> CFB is in place in Tomcat, it is because of this bad entropy, and Tomcat >>is >> then indirectly adding to it. >No, it is because

Re: [POLL] Splitting log4j.jar by dependency

2005-01-14 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > Placing endorsed libraries in WEB-INF/lib is *not* recommended. In fact, > Tomcat actively avoids loading at least some endorsed libraries from > WEB-INF/lib (Not sure about all maybe Yoav can clarify?). By > "endorsed", I mean stuff like javax.*, org.xml.*, org.w3c.dom.*, etc

Re: [POLL] Splitting log4j.jar by dependency

2005-01-13 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, > One of the important features in 1.3 is that you no longer have to > ship log4j.jar in WARs. The idea is to place log4j.jar in your > server's common/lib or equivalent. Some servers don't have a common/lib directory or equivalent. It's not part of the J2EE or Servlet Specifications, and as

Re: [POLL] Component and ComponentBase

2005-01-03 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, I don't think it's a bad idea, but could there be a more specific or domain-related name for it? Component(Base) is very generic, whereas Appender(Skeleton) is more logging-domain-specific. Yoav --- Ceki Gülcü <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anybody think it is a bad idea? If yes, any alter

Re: [VOTE] Curt Arnold as a new log4j committer

2004-12-15 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, +1. Yoav --- Ceki Gülcü <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello all, > > It is my honor and privilege to propose Curt Arnold as a log4j > committer. Curt is the lead of the log4cxx project. He has made > several quite significant contributions to the log4j project and is > expected to continu

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