Re: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-10 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 04:54 PM 2/10/2005, Niclas Hedhman wrote: Is there any way we could get the Jakarta PMC and/or the ASF Board to kill the Commons-Logging project once and for all? Escalating this issue to the Board would require a huge amount of effort, cause much aggravation and generate a lot of bad blood. I

RE: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-10 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, >Is there any way we could get the Jakarta PMC and/or the ASF Board to kill >the Commons-Logging project once and for all? I doubt it. There are strong supporters for JCL within and outside the ASF. As usual, the critics tend to be louder than the supporters, but people are voting by taking

Re: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-10 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 09 February 2005 20:20, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > Hello, > > For those interested I've been busy writing an article about the problems > encountered when using JCL. > >http://www.qos.ch/logging/classloader.jsp Is there any way we could get the Jakarta PMC and/or the ASF Board to kill th

Re: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-10 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 10 February 2005 18:27, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > UGLI is rather modest in its goals. It does not have the pretension of > initiating any major technological leap. JCL promises more than what it can > deliver. UGLI does what JCL does today but without the headaches. This is a *very* good as

Re: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-10 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 09:17 AM 2/10/2005, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Thursday 10 February 2005 03:34, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > nless the ugli-xxx.jar file is corrupt, UGLI cannot never cause bugs of > Type-I, Type-II or Type-III for the simple reason that all the required > files are bundled together in the ugli-xxx jar fil

Re: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-10 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 10 February 2005 03:34, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > nless the ugli-xxx.jar file is corrupt, UGLI cannot never cause bugs of > Type-I, Type-II or Type-III for the simple reason that all the required > files are bundled together in the ugli-xxx jar file. UGLI's LoggerFactory > only uses the class

Re: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 05:46 PM 2/9/2005, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 09 February 2005 23:34, you wrote: > As you are very knowledgeable in class loader > problems, I'd appreciate your comments and/or critical reviews. First of all, I am very happy to see that someone else care, and care to such an extent and g

Re: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-09 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 09 February 2005 23:34, you wrote: > As you are very knowledgeable in class loader > problems, I'd appreciate your comments and/or critical reviews. First of all, I am very happy to see that someone else care, and care to such an extent and goes through all the pain to explain this t

RE: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 04:26 PM 2/9/2005, Yoav Shapira wrote: Hi, Awesome article. Thanks for writing it and for fixing the code sections. I suggest you invite comments on commons-dev to see what the JCL people think. The comments I received so far have not been very supportive but that is to be expected. Another

RE: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-09 Thread Yoav Shapira
: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:21 AM To: log4j-dev@logging.apache.org Subject: Taxonomy of JCL problems Hello, For those interested I've been busy writing an article about the problems encountered when using JCL. http://www.qos.ch/lo

Re: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 04:01 PM 2/9/2005, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 09 February 2005 20:20, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > Hello, > > For those interested I've been busy writing an article about the problems > encountered when using JCL. > >http://www.qos.ch/logging/classloader.jsp > > Your comments and critical rev

Re: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 04:01 PM 2/9/2005, you wrote: On Wednesday 09 February 2005 20:20, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > Hello, > > For those interested I've been busy writing an article about the problems > encountered when using JCL. > >http://www.qos.ch/logging/classloader.jsp > > Your comments and critical reviews are we

Re: Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-09 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 09 February 2005 20:20, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > Hello, > > For those interested I've been busy writing an article about the problems > encountered when using JCL. > >http://www.qos.ch/logging/classloader.jsp > > Your comments and critical reviews are welcome. Great work, BUT on *my* b

Taxonomy of JCL problems

2005-02-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Hello, For those interested I've been busy writing an article about the problems encountered when using JCL. http://www.qos.ch/logging/classloader.jsp Your comments and critical reviews are welcome. -- Ceki Gülcü The complete log4j manual: http://www.qos.ch/log4j/ ---