[lojban-beginners] Re: proper pronunciation of apostrophe

2009-08-21 Thread Philip Newton
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 05:22, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 20 pi'e 08 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. morphemeadd...@wmconnect.com .fy. cusku > zoi skamyxatra. >> So will lots of other people who use the terms for different things, >> including English speakers who use it for the different between the two ma

[lojban-beginners] Re: proper pronunciation of apostrophe

2009-08-21 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 21 August 2009 04:09:50 Alexandre Dezotti wrote: > i think the good names are 'lenis' and 'fortis' (see the most famous > english phonetics book, i don't remeber the author now, > unfortunately). I think I heard of "lenis" and "fortis" a lot later than "voiced" and "unvoiced". > since

[lojban-beginners] Re: proper pronunciation of apostrophe

2009-08-21 Thread Alexandre Dezotti
> I wasn't using "hard" and "soft" as stand-ins for "voiced" and "unvoiced"; I > was simply trying to describe the different pronunciations of English "th" to > someone I had no reason to presume was already familiar with the technical > aspects of phonetics. How do you think I should have des

[lojban-beginners] Re: proper pronunciation of apostrophe

2009-08-20 Thread Minimiscience
de'i li 20 pi'e 08 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. morphemeadd...@wmconnect.com .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > So will lots of other people who use the terms for different things, > including English speakers who use it for the different between the two main > sounds of "c" and "g" (hard = k/g, soft = s/j). .sk

[lojban-beginners] Re: proper pronunciation of apostrophe

2009-08-20 Thread MorphemeAddict
In a message dated 8/20/2009 22:59:54 Eastern Daylight Time, p...@phma.optus.nu writes: > "hard" and "soft" shouldn't be used for voicing. The Russians in the room > will > think you mean something else. > > Pierre > So will lots of other people who use the terms for different things, incl

[lojban-beginners] Re: proper pronunciation of apostrophe

2009-08-20 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 20 August 2009 22:13:32 morphemeadd...@wmconnect.com wrote: > In my experience the voiced sounds in English are "soft", the unvoiced ones > "hard". "hard" and "soft" shouldn't be used for voicing. The Russians in the room will think you mean something else. Pierre

[lojban-beginners] Re: proper pronunciation of apostrophe

2009-08-20 Thread MorphemeAddict
In a message dated 8/20/2009 18:36:07 Eastern Daylight Time, minimiscie...@gmail.com writes: > As a variant, the apostrophe may also be pronounced as any > unvoiced fricative not already used in Lojban, e.g., [?], the sound of the > soft > "th" in "thing" (not the hard "th" of "this"). > In

[lojban-beginners] Re: proper pronunciation of apostrophe

2009-08-20 Thread Minimiscience
de'i li 20 pi'e 08 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Joshua Choi .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > Just wondering, what reasoning was behind the decision to give the "h" > sound a uniquely different symbol, the apostrophe? Was it to emphasize > that it could represent any unused unvoiced fricative? Was it because

[lojban-beginners] Re: proper pronunciation of apostrophe

2009-08-20 Thread Joshua Choi
Just wondering, what reasoning was behind the decision to give the "h" sound a uniquely different symbol, the apostrophe? Was it to emphasize that it could represent any unused unvoiced fricative? Was it because it looked nicer in certain cmavo? On 20 August 2009, at 3:34 PM, Minimiscience

[lojban-beginners] Re: proper pronunciation of apostrophe

2009-08-20 Thread Minimiscience
de'i li 20 pi'e 08 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. tony hall .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > I'm not sure I understand the apostrophe correctly.  Is it pronounced with an > 'h' sound: > > .au is pronounced like "ow" > > is .a'u pronounced like "ahoo"? .skamyxatra That is correct. As a variant, the apostrophe m