Hi Nigel,
Thanks for your defence and all, but please don't treat that so
seriously - this way you only perpetuate that notion that it was
something to kill each other about. If you believe (as I do) that it
was a major overreaction for a simple mistake - then please don't feed
it with even more
2008/12/10 Nigel Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2008/12/10 Zbigniew Lukasiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> I am really sorry for starting this. I hereby publicly apologize to
>> Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen, Randal L. Schwartz and the publisher.
>>
>
> Don't be sorry. You haven't breached their copyri
On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 15:02 +, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> On another maybe more interesting topic: so seriously, this site's been
> around for ages, why haven't O'R done something about it? Or have they, but
> just unsuccessfully? It's not like UA doesn't have copyright laws and
> police.
>
> (Th
2008/12/10 Zbigniew Lukasiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I am really sorry for starting this. I hereby publicly apologize to
> Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen, Randal L. Schwartz and the publisher.
>
Don't be sorry. You haven't breached their copyright - it's perfectly
acceptable "fair use" for you to ta
2008/12/10 Radoslaw Zielinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-12-2008 15:36]:
> [...]
>> And I said no arguing
>
> http://www.xkcd.com/392/
>
Damn right!
On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 14:36 +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> Most of the crap that we get in this list is completely down to people not
> being
> polite.
Which takes us neatly back to where we were before this tangent... the
suggestion that the Perl community could be considerably less hostile to
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Jonathan Stowe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 2008/12/10 Paul Makepeace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Aaron Trevena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
> >
> >> 2008/12/10 Paul Orrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > Secondly I find myself surprised th
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Jonathan Stowe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/12/10 Paul Makepeace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Aaron Trevena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>
>>> 2008/12/10 Paul Orrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> > Secondly I find myself surprised that in a
Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [10-12-2008 15:36]:
[...]
> And I said no arguing
http://www.xkcd.com/392/
--
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2008/12/10 Paul Makepeace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Aaron Trevena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> 2008/12/10 Paul Orrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > Secondly I find myself surprised that in a discussion that is all about
>> > leniency and being welcoming and not biting pe
Jonathan Stowe wrote:
2008/12/10 Dirk Koopman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Jonathan Stowe wrote:
I'll put your attempt to get us to participate in copyright theft down
to naivete, stupidity or youthful enthusiasm but please do not do this
again. There are O'Reilly published authors on this list who I
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Aaron Trevena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 2008/12/10 Paul Orrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Secondly I find myself surprised that in a discussion that is all about
> > leniency and being welcoming and not biting peoples heads off that you
> make
> > such a blanket as
2008/12/10 Paul Orrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Secondly I find myself surprised that in a discussion that is all about
> leniency and being welcoming and not biting peoples heads off that you make
> such a blanket assumption that the original poster was doing this
> deliberately in full knowledge th
Jonathan Stowe wrote:
I'll put your attempt to get us to participate in copyright theft down
to naivete, stupidity or youthful enthusiasm but please do not do this
again.
Firstly I completely agree on the issues around copyright theft itself and
that the link should not have been posted.
2008/12/10 Dirk Koopman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Jonathan Stowe wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll put your attempt to get us to participate in copyright theft down
>> to naivete, stupidity or youthful enthusiasm but please do not do this
>> again. There are O'Reilly published authors on this list who I am sur
Jonathan Stowe wrote:
2008/12/10 Zbigniew Lukasiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Denny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 23:28 +, Tim Sweetman wrote:
Although I think there are two further things that would help:
* A Perl user group that didn't just
I am really sorry for starting this. I hereby publicly apologize to
Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen, Randal L. Schwartz and the publisher.
Cheers,
Zbigniew
PS. I hope that doing that just once is OK.
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Stowe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/12/10 Zbigniew
Jonathan Stowe wrote:
I'll put your attempt to get us to participate in copyright theft down
to naivete, stupidity or youthful enthusiasm but please do not do this
again. There are O'Reilly published authors on this list who I am sure
wouldn't like you to be stealing from them and the majority
2008/12/10 Zbigniew Lukasiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Denny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 23:28 +, Tim Sweetman wrote:
>>> > Although I think there are two further things that would help:
>>>
>>> * A Perl user group that didn't just insult n
2008/12/10 Zbigniew Lukasiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Denny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 23:28 +, Tim Sweetman wrote:
>>> > Although I think there are two further things that would help:
>>>
>>> * A Perl user group that didn't just insult n
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:55:47AM +, Avleen Vig wrote:
[Snip reference to copyright infringing site]
> While I understand why you did it, I would kindly like to request that
> we don't promote sites which host stolen copies of ORA books.
> It's not fair to ORA, who give the perl community a
On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 11:28:58PM +, Tim Sweetman wrote:
>
> * A Perl user group that didn't just insult n00bs when they turned up
>
> * A culture surrounding the language that didn't privilege obscurity
> over sensible engineering
>
Well, these are just broad generalisations. Men are from
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Zbigniew Lukasiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I concur very strongly on all your points. One thing to add to this
> is that at the time of the Perl boom - people still believed in
> TIMTOWTDI and it was officially allowed to write Perl baby talk - this
> is from
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Denny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 23:28 +, Tim Sweetman wrote:
>> > Although I think there are two further things that would help:
>>
>> * A Perl user group that didn't just insult n00bs when they turned up
>
> I agree with this very stro
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 23:28 +, Tim Sweetman wrote:
> > Although I think there are two further things that would help:
>
> * A Perl user group that didn't just insult n00bs when they turned up
I agree with this very strongly. In which context, can I call to your
attention that 'n00b' isn't ge
2008/12/10 Hakim Cassimally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 12/9/08, Tim Sweetman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --
> Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com
Looks like my Nokia has gone crazy and is imagining left-softbutton
clicks out of nowhere. Guess which application I have as my defaul
On 12/9/08, Tim Sweetman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The idea with branding is a bit like "user experience design". You
> claim that your remit is very broad, including everything about how
> the thing in question (the Perl language, the overground network,
> whatever) is perceived by its its us
The idea with branding is a bit like "user experience design". You
claim that your remit is very broad, including everything about how
the thing in question (the Perl language, the overground network,
whatever) is perceived by its its users, but then, in practice, you
just concentrate on
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