Re: Recession rates

2009-03-11 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 07:26:44PM +, Avleen Vig wrote: I spoke to a friend who is a recruiter a few mins ago, and they're in quite a panic. Not because there isn't work (there's quite a bit around apparently). Just that there are so few good candidates on the market. Fear not, I'm

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-11 Thread Richard Foley
Now down to £150/day. Ah, no. My mistake. It was always £150. Talk it up lads, talk it UP! -- Richard Foley Ciao - shorter than aufwiedersehen http://www.rfi.net/

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-11 Thread B Maqueira
Perhaps we should try to advertise the jobs.perl.org mailing list more aggressively to companies that use perl as the best way of advertising perl jobs without agencies. I think the list does a great job, but there are usually many job ads only available via agencies and job-sites (some

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-11 Thread raph
Perhaps we should try to advertise the jobs.perl.org mailing list more aggressively to companies that use perl as the best way of advertising perl jobs without agencies. I think the list does a great job, but there are usually many job ads only available via agencies and job-sites (some of

Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Paul Makepeace
Has anyone found the recession/depression affecting contracting rates? I was surprised to have a recruiter recently suggest a bunch of candidates for £375/day (each :-)). This seems on the high side, even outside of the economic blues. I guess what also tweaked me was that every single one of

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Jonathan Stowe
2009/3/10 Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com: Has anyone found the recession/depression affecting contracting rates? I was surprised to have a recruiter recently suggest a bunch of candidates for £375/day (each :-)). This seems on the high side, even outside of the economic blues. I guess what

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Jonathan Stowe j...@integration-house.comwrote: 2009/3/10 Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com: Has anyone found the recession/depression affecting contracting rates? I was surprised to have a recruiter recently suggest a bunch of candidates for £375/day (each

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Aaron Trevena
2009/3/10 Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com: Has anyone found the recession/depression affecting contracting rates? A bit, yes, although *touch wood* there does seem to be a slight increase in the availability of telework and part onsite jobs and contracts - whether this is a case of businesses

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Jonathan Stowe
2009/3/10 Aaron Trevena aaron.trev...@gmail.com: 2009/3/10 Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com: .. I guess what also tweaked me was that every single one of these guys was going for the exact same rate whereas without a doubt they are not all equally skilled. While I don't expect we have accurate

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Dirk Koopman
Jonathan Stowe wrote: It's the recruiter doing it - the poor sap candidates are probably getting 300 or less and will have been told that is the most that the client is going to pay. The recruiter doesn't care, they might start introducing a differential depending on whether they can drive the

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Simon Wilcox
On 10/3/09 17:07, Dirk Koopman wrote: £300? Don't be daft. A lot of recruiters wouldn't get out of bed for ~25%, they will be looking for at least %50 (and in the bad old days 100%). I would not be surprised if the saps are being offered £200 in these difficult times. Which is why I'm very

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Dirk Koopman d...@tobit.co.uk wrote: Jonathan Stowe wrote: It's the recruiter doing it - the poor sap candidates are probably getting 300 or less and will have been told that is the most that the client is going to pay. The recruiter doesn't care, they might

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Philip Newton
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 18:12, Dave Cross d...@dave.org.uk wrote: I saw this today[1], advertising for a pretty impressive list of skills for £175/day. [snip] [1] http://www.jobsite.co.uk/cgi-bin/vacdetails.pl?selection=931442513 Now down to £150/day. Cheers, -- Philip Newton

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Dave Cross
Philip Newton wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 18:12, Dave Cross d...@dave.org.uk wrote: I saw this today[1], advertising for a pretty impressive list of skills for £175/day. [snip] [1] http://www.jobsite.co.uk/cgi-bin/vacdetails.pl?selection=931442513 Now down to £150/day. Ah, no. My

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread James Laver
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com wrote: At the risk of jumping to the defence of a recruiter(!!), this chap seems pretty straight up and quoted that his cut is 50quid/day. Chances are he's lying. I've noticed recently that SNR of calls has dropped massively, that

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Merijn Broeren
Quoting Philip Newton (philip.new...@gmail.com): On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 18:12, Dave Cross d...@dave.org.uk wrote: I saw this today[1], advertising for a pretty impressive list of skills for ?175/day. [snip] [1] http://www.jobsite.co.uk/cgi-bin/vacdetails.pl?selection=931442513 Now down

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 06:39:21PM +0100, Merijn Broeren wrote: Quoting Philip Newton (philip.new...@gmail.com): Now down to ?150/day. Working 200 days a day, multiplies out to a naive Bulgarian worker who hasn't eyed up the cost of London living yet? There are *plenty* of people in London

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk writes: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 06:39:21PM +0100, Merijn Broeren wrote: Quoting Philip Newton (philip.new...@gmail.com): Now down to ?150/day. Working 200 days a day, multiplies out to a naive Bulgarian worker who hasn't eyed up the cost of London living

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:49 PM, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 06:39:21PM +0100, Merijn Broeren wrote: Quoting Philip Newton (philip.new...@gmail.com): Now down to ?150/day. Working 200 days a day, multiplies out to a naive Bulgarian worker who

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Chris Jack
On 10/3/09 17:07, Dirk Koopman wrote: ?300? Don't be daft. A lot of recruiters wouldn't get out of bed for ~25%, they will be looking for at least %50 (and in the bad old days 100%). I would not be surprised if the saps are being offered ?200 in these difficult times This was

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Chris Jack chris_j...@msn.com wrote: I think the truth about agencies is also that they are tending to amalgamate and there are fewer mom and pop style places around - which in turn means they tend to be run more professionally and with a greater sense of

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Paul Mooney
On 10 Mar 2009, at 18:15, Chris Jack wrote: The truth is, once you've been had once in this way, you ask what your agent is taking and refuse contracts where the rake is excessive. This in itself acts as a brake on agencies taking the Michael. I think 17.5% is fairly usual in the city

Re: Recession rates

2009-03-10 Thread Avleen Vig
On Mar 10, 2009, at 17:07, Dirk Koopman d...@tobit.co.uk wrote: Jonathan Stowe wrote: It's the recruiter doing it - the poor sap candidates are probably getting 300 or less and will have been told that is the most that the client is going to pay. The recruiter doesn't care, they might start