Re: Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II

2009-10-21 Thread Jacqui Caren-home
James Laver wrote: On 21 Oct 2009, at 01:24, Paul Makepeace wrote: PS for the real layout nerds, http://colemak.com/ is a better choice than Dvorak if you're going to start from scratch http://www.kaufmann.no/roland/dvorak/ is worth a mention too. I got myself up to about one-quarter-speed on

Re: Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II

2009-10-21 Thread Smylers
Jacqui Caren-home writes: James Laver wrote: On 21 Oct 2009, at 01:24, Paul Makepeace wrote: PS for the real layout nerds, http://colemak.com/ is a better choice than Dvorak if you're going to start from scratch http://www.kaufmann.no/roland/dvorak/ is worth a mention too. I

Re: Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II

2009-10-21 Thread James Laver
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote: Maybe I should switch to Emacs ... Same deal. I think I started binding them to different keys in order to use the same finger positions I was used to under QWERTY. --James

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread Chris Jack
Jacqui wrote: James Laver wrote: On 21 Oct 2009, at 01:24, Paul Makepeace wrote: PS for the real layout nerds, http://colemak.com/ is a better choice than Dvorak if you're going to start from scratch http://www.kaufmann.no/roland/dvorak/ is worth a mention too. I got myself up to

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread James Laver
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Chris Jack chris_j...@msn.com wrote: Before you switch keyboards, I think there is an important question about how often you are obliged to use a standard qwerty keyboard. I worked all over Europe for a bit using a large number of the European variations on

Re: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm November social 2009-11-05, The Victoria, Bayswater W2 2NH

2009-10-21 Thread Lesley B
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:44:01AM +0100, london.pm-requ...@london.pm.org wrote: Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:55:23 +0100 From: David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm November social 2009-11-05, The Victoria, Bayswater W2 2NH To: London.pm

Re: Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II

2009-10-21 Thread Leo Lapworth
2009/10/21 Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:37 AM, gbjk g...@thermeon.com wrote: I've been looking for a datahand pro II. http://www.datahand.com/products/proii.htm I don't have one of those but I do have a Kinesis Advantage,

Re: Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II

2009-10-21 Thread Smylers
James Laver writes: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote: Maybe I should switch to Emacs ... Same deal. Except it wouldn't be for me, cos I don't already know Emacs! I think I started binding them to different keys in order to use the same finger

Re: Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II

2009-10-21 Thread James Laver
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote: I could cope with Vim having most command keys in different places; it's only h, j, k, l that are problematic, because of their use as cursor keys, in a single block on the home row.  From what I understand Emacs doesn't do

Re: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm November social 2009-11-05, The Victoria, Bayswater W2 2NH

2009-10-21 Thread James Laver
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Lesley B lesl...@pgcroft.net wrote: Buffy and Willow have ponies?  When did that happen? Around about the time they started having pie and pint lunches. HTH. --James

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:05:28 +0100, James Laver wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Chris Jack chris_j...@msn.com wrote: Before you switch keyboards, I think there is an important question about how often you are obliged to use a standard qwerty keyboard. I worked all over Europe for a

Re: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm November social 2009-11-05, The Victoria, Bayswater W2 2NH

2009-10-21 Thread Mark Fowler
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Lesley B lesl...@pgcroft.net wrote: Buffy and Willow have ponies?  When did that happen? 20th June 2001. http://search.cpan.org/~dcantrell/Acme-Pony-1.1.2/lib/Acme/Pony.pm Mark.

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread jesse
Problem then comes with people who need to help you on your computer. I often help a tester here who has a Natural split keyboard, and find it tough, but doable (I used to use a natural years ago, the problem is using a Natural from a sideways position or standing position while at

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread Jacqui Caren-home
Chris Jack wrote: I had been seeing an osteopath who pointed out My interest in this thread is two fold. 1) I write or edit a lot of code. Why should I spend my days typing many repetitive words over and over. Does anyone here remember spectrums or ZX81's? :-) 2) My sister has a

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:32:46 -0400, jesse wrote: Problem then comes with people who need to help you on your computer. I often help a tester here who has a Natural split keyboard, and find it tough, but doable (I used to use a natural years ago, the problem is using a Natural from a

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread James Laver
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Matt Sergeant mserge...@messagelabs.com wrote: True-ish. If you occasionally glance at the keys it really screws you over though :) Well unless you're buying labels to stick on the keys you aren't going to be able to look down on Dvorak, and I'd hope that by

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs

2009-10-21 Thread Chris Jack
James Laver wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Chris Jack chris_j...@msn.com wrote: It also has the advantage of no numeric keypad - so there's significantly less travel between keyboard and mouse. That's distinctly not an advantage for those of us who type numeric IDs into

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread Smylers
Jacqui Caren-home writes: My interest in this thread is two fold. 1) I write or edit a lot of code. Why should I spend my days typing many repetitive words over and over. Does anyone here remember spectrums or ZX81's? :-) You shouldn't; you should use an editor which has completion on

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:32:15 +0100, James Laver wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Matt Sergeant mserge...@messagelabs.com wrote: True-ish. If you occasionally glance at the keys it really screws you over though :) Well unless you're buying labels to stick on the keys you aren't

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread jesse
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 04:50:19PM +0100, Smylers wrote: A friend with RSI has a keyboard he can use fine, but needs to avoid mousing. Unfortunately[*1] whoever wrote the bespoke software used by his branch of the civil service didn't bother with keyboard access for many features. In the

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread James Laver
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:21 PM, jesse je...@fsck.com wrote: In the US, that's ~illegal[1]. The UK doesn't have a similar law? [1] http://www.section508.gov/ We have the disability discrimination act which makes it similarly illegal. It also makes it illegal to develop a website that isn't

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread Jacqui Caren-home
Smylers wrote: You shouldn't; you should use an editor which has completion on words which are used in your project. I use a few with completions - with no one being best for the various languages I use. Which brings up what perl editors do people use and why? FYI: Currently writing a js