Re: [Lsr] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-12-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
(Copying Mirja as well since one portion of my reply relates to her comment) Warren - Inline. > -Original Message- > From: Warren Kumari > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:10 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810...@ietf.org; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > ; aretana.i...

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04.txt

2018-12-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This version addresses review comments from Alissa and Alexey. Thanx. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 7:51 AM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-

Re: [Lsr] IPR Poll for "IS-IS Routing for Spine-Leaf Topology" - draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext-07

2018-12-17 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I am not aware of any IPR applies to draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext. Les From: Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 5:48 AM To: draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-...@ietf.org Cc: lsr@ietf.org Subject: IPR Poll for "IS-IS Routing for Spine-Leaf Topology" - draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-e

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-01.txt

2018-12-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This version addresses Routing Directorate review comments from Manav (thanx!!). Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:23 PM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ie

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-22.txt

2018-12-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This update addresses editorial issues pointed out by Bruno and Ruediger (thanx guys). Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:03 AM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action:

Re: [Lsr] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03

2018-12-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
to take the measurements – nor has anyone expressed concern as to any omissions in the parameters advertised. Therefore we have no reason to alter the existing text in these areas. Responses inline. From: Yoshifumi Nishida Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2018 1:31 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg

Re: [Lsr] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03

2018-12-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
any time to raise questions about RFC7810/RFC7471 and the WG can decide whether it agrees that changes are needed. But that is not within the scope of this work. Les From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2018 9:55 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Acee Lindem (acee) ; Christian

Re: [Lsr] [Tsv-art] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03

2018-12-05 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 6:41 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: nish...@wide.ad.jp; tsv-...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; IETF list ; draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tsv-art] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03 Hi, Les, On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:52 PM

Re: [Lsr] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03

2018-12-05 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Yoshi - Thanx for taking the time to review. I can appreciate that this may the first time you have looked at RFC7810 - let alone the bis draft. As a result you have commented on content which is common to the bis draft and the RFC it is modifying (RFC 7810). While your questions in isolation

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-21.txt

2018-12-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
(Resending w/o the ID announce list - please post any replies against this email please) Folks - Authors of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-21.txt

2018-12-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Folks - Authors of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ received private comments that the spe

[Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01.txt

2018-12-02 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
) ; Tony Li ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01.txt A new version of I-D, draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Les Ginsberg and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ginsberg

Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-02

2018-11-29 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – Comments inline. From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 2:38 PM To: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810...@ietf.org Cc: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; lsr@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org Subject: AD Review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-02 Dear authors: Thanks for taking on th

Re: [Lsr] Available Bandwidth erratum 5486 [was: Re: AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp-14]

2018-11-29 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03 has been published. This addresses the inconsistency with RFC7471. Les From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 2:46 PM To: Alvaro Retana ; John Scudder ; draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810...@ietf.org Cc: Hares

Re: [Lsr] Available Bandwidth erratum 5486 [was: Re: AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp-14]

2018-11-28 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – As lead author on rfc7810bis I am happy to modify the language to be consistent with RFC7471. That seems like the far easier pathway so long as we have your assurance (which it seems we do) that this will not unduly delay progress of rfc7810bis. I do find that the fact that you raised

Re: [Lsr] [spring] draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc & draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc

2018-11-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
is not sufficient. Hope this is clear. Les From: Aijun Wang Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 10:41 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; stephane.litkow...@orange.com; lsr@ietf.org Cc: spr...@ietf.org Subject: 答复: [spring] draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc & draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc Hi, Les

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-00 - Restart Signaling for IS-IS

2018-11-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Obviously as co-author I support this. This modest extension makes IS-IS GR usable for platforms which cannot reload within the normal adjacency hold-time. It also allows the helping neighbors to be aware that they have a restarting neighbor in case topology changes occur which would compromise

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc & draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc

2018-11-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Stephane - The use case for this proposal is to support inter-AS scenarios in the absence of a controller. If the WG agrees that this use case needs to be addressed I believe the proposal below is a good and viable compromise. I say "compromise" because - as you mention below - ELC/ELRD are fun

Re: [Lsr] LSR: Using DSCP for path/topology selection Q

2018-11-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
T. Les > -Original Message- > From: Acee Lindem (acee) > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 4:49 AM > To: Dongjie (Jimmy) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > ; Toerless Eckert ; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR: Using DSCP for path/topology selection Q > > Hi Jie, &

Re: [Lsr] LSR: Using DSCP for path/topology selection Q

2018-11-14 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Toerless - It's pretty hard to understand the context for your email. What leads you to believe that any of the MT specifications you mention say anything normative about DSCP and topologies?? RFC4915 does not mention DSCP at all - but does make the statement: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc49

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Poll for IGP extension for PCEP security capability support in the PCE discovery - draft-wu-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-00

2018-11-14 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Support. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:11 PM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] WG Adoption Poll for IGP extension for PCEP security capability support in the PCE discovery - draft-wu-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-00 At the LSR WG meeti

Re: [Lsr] IPR Call for draft for "Restart Signaling for IS-IS" - draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis

2018-11-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I am not aware of any relevant IPR. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 11:08 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Cc: m...@mshand.org.uk Subject: [Lsr] IPR Call for draft for "Restart Signaling for IS-IS" - draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis Les, Paul, Mike, In pre

Re: [Lsr] Teasing us with secrets

2018-11-12 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
would however like us to agree that the subject of this thread is inappropriate. :-) Les > -Original Message- > From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 9:14 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: Henk Smit ; lsr@ietf.org > Subje

Re: [Lsr] Teasing us with secrets

2018-11-12 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
--Original Message- > From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 7:40 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: Henk Smit ; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Teasing us with secrets > > > Les, > > > I am not "teasing". > &g

Re: [Lsr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-20

2018-11-10 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Russ - Thanx for the review. Responses inline. > -Original Message- > From: 7ri...@gmail.com <7ri...@gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 7:51 AM > To: rtg-...@ietf.org > Cc: rtg-...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org; > lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Rt

Re: [Lsr] Teasing us with secrets

2018-11-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
ifferent links in a densely meshed network. Les > -Original Message- > From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 6:59 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: Henk Smit ; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Teasing us with secrets > >

Re: [Lsr] IS-IS over TCP

2018-11-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
TCP is not immune to this The fact that no IS-IS code is required to recover from this when TCP is used does not mean that retransmissions come for free. There is no free lunch. Les > -Original Message- > From: Henk Smit > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 2:22 PM > To

Re: [Lsr] IS-IS over TCP

2018-11-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Henk - Thanx for the thoughtful response. I'll do my best to respond in kind. Inline. > -Original Message- > From: Henk Smit > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 5:26 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: tony...@tony.li; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] IS-IS

Re: [Lsr] IS-IS over TCP

2018-11-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
/ . Please do not confuse the two. Les From: Robert Raszuk Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 12:39 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: hhws...@xs4all.nl; Tony Li ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] IS-IS over TCP Hi Les, > There are existing and successful deployments of an instance w

Re: [Lsr] IS-IS over TCP

2018-11-06 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Henk/Gunter - Couple of points. 1)IS-IS PDUs are sent directly over layer 2 - whereas TCP (or other transport) are sent over Layer3. This means we have a potential fate sharing issue where IIHs (which continue to be sent over Layer 2 in your proposal (as I understand it) may be successfully ex

[Lsr] Comments on draft-chunduri-lsr-isis-mt-deployment-cons-01

2018-11-06 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Having now read the draft in its entirety... As per the discussion in the WG meeting today... I agree that MT and its relationship to address-families can be confusing. I also agree that when deploying multiple address-family support the decision to use/not-use MT can be confusing. I also agree

Re: [Lsr] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-16

2018-10-30 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Acee - > > Section 3.2 > > > > "When a router receives multiple overlapping ranges, it MUST > >conform to the procedures defined in > >[I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls]." > > > > It would be useful to include a section pointer here. I think your >

Re: [Lsr] OSPF Routing with Cross-Address Family Traffic Engineering Tunnels - draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te-04.txt

2018-10-23 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Support. It is a straighforward solution to the problem. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 3:25 PM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] OSPF Routing with Cross-Address Family Traffic Engineering Tunnels - draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te-04.txt This begins an L

[Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-00.txt

2018-10-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
to cause interoperability issues. Comments are most welcome. Les -Original Message- From: internet-dra...@ietf.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 11:46 AM To: Paul Wells (pauwells) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-19.txt

2018-10-09 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Just updating Jeff's affiliation. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 11:06 PM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-19.txt > > > A New

Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-10-04 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno/Julien/Benjamin – V18 of the draft has been published. I believe this addresses all outstanding comments. Thanx very much for your input. Les From: bruno.decra...@orange.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:56 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Acee Lindem (acee) Cc: Routing

Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-10-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Decraene Cc: Routing Directorate ; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-...@ietf.org; rtg-...@ietf.org; Alvaro Retana ; lsr@ietf.org; Jeff Tantsura ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; MEURIC Julien IMT/OLN Subject: Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15 Hi Bruno, On Oct 3

Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-10-02 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno – Trimming the thread… [Les2:] Label imposition is meant to cover both the SWAP operation and the PUSH operation. In the example you provided above where a label stack of “12” is replaced by a label stack of “14,15” the number of labels “imposed” is 2. [Bruno2] In that case, I definitely

Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "Restart Signaling for IS-IS" - draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc5306bis-01

2018-10-01 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Thanx Acee. Renamed document has been uploaded and is awaiting WG chair approval for posting. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 7:04 PM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "Restart Signaling for IS-IS" - draft-ginsberg-

Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-09-28 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno – Inline. From: bruno.decra...@orange.com Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 1:02 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Alvaro Retana ; MEURIC Julien IMT/OLN Cc: rtg-...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; rtg-...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-...@ietf.org Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review

Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-09-27 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – Thanx for helping drive this to closure. Please see inline. From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 10:54 AM To: Julien Meuric ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: lsr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-...@ietf.org; rtg-...@ietf.org; rtg-...@ietf.org Subject: Re

Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-09-27 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Julien - Snipping out the resolved bits. > -Original Message- > From: Julien Meuric > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 3:27 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; rtg-...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org; rtg-...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing- > m...@i

Re: [Lsr] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-16

2018-09-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
IANA section as is. Les > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 6:21 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: David Waltermire ; sec...@ietf.org; > lsr@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd@ietf

Re: [Lsr] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-16

2018-09-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
nical documentation should reside in other parts of the document…” I think what you propose is not consistent with the intent of the IANA section. Thanx. Les > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 4:06 PM > To: Les G

Re: [Lsr] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-16

2018-09-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Benjamin - Responses nline. > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 2:11 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: David Waltermire ; sec...@ietf.org; > lsr@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd@ietf

Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-17: (with COMMENT)

2018-09-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Benjamin - Responses inline. > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 2:46 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-...@ietf.org; Christian Hopps > ; aretana.i...@gmail.com; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; > cho...@chopps.org; lsr@ietf.org >

Re: [Lsr] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-16

2018-09-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
David - Thanx for the review. A new version of the draft (17) has been published to address your comments - subject to my responses below. > -Original Message- > From: David Waltermire > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 12:14 PM > To: sec...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org;

Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-09-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Julien - Thanx for the additional comments. V17 has been published to address these - subject to my responses below. See Les2 > -Original Message- > From: rtg-dir On Behalf Of Julien Meuric > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:12 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; rtg-...@i

Re: [Lsr] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15: (with COMMENT)

2018-09-23 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Warren - Thanx for the review, your kind words, and your sense of humor. I have published V16 of the draft which addresses your comments except as noted below. > -Original Message- > From: Warren Kumari > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 4:52 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-isis

Re: [Lsr] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-09-23 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Julien - Thanx for your detailed review - and your patience in waiting for a response (I returned from vacation only a few days ago). I have published V16 of the draft which addresses your comments except as noted inline below. > -Original Message- > From: Julien Meuric > Sent: Monda

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-02.txt

2018-09-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This new version addresses recently reported Errata RFC7810 (5486). Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 6:33 AM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc

Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-13

2018-08-29 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – I have posted V15 addressing your comments. Inline. From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:56 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-...@ietf.org Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Christian Hopps ; lsr-cha...@ietf.org Subject: RE: AD Review of draft-ietf

Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-13

2018-08-29 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – I have posted V15 addressing your comments. Responses inline. From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:54 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-...@ietf.org Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Christian Hopps ; lsr-cha...@ietf.org Subject: RE: AD Review of draft

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-27 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Huaimo - > draft-cc-ospf-flooding-reduction-02 supports operations on three modes > including distributed mode and centralized one. > [Les:] The "third mode" mentioned in your draft is "static" which was defined many years ago in RFC 2973 (Mesh Groups). More importantly I think it is dynamic sol

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-24 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Building on what Tony L and Peter have already stated: R1: Significant reduction in flooding overhead. R2: Flooding reduction should not add significant delay to the flooding time R3: Reliability of flooding MUST be maintained Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Pete

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-22 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Works for me. Thanx Jeff. Les From: Jeff Tantsura Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 1:21 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Tony Przygienda Cc: Tony Li ; lsr@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee) Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward Les, Not going to repeat Tony P

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-22 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
. Les From: Tony Przygienda Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 11:59 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Jeff Tantsura ; Tony Li ; lsr@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee) Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward I do think it is a good idea in a sense to somehow outline WHAT

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-22 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
In the discussions which led to the creation of LSVR and RIFT WGs, considerable interest was expressed in working on enhancements to existing Link State protocols. You can peruse the dcrouting mailing list archives. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dcrouting/ It is rather befuddling to

Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "Restart Signaling for IS-IS" - draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc5306bis-01

2018-08-22 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This modest extension is required in order to allow neighbors of a restarting router to more robustly support planned restarts. It brings IS-IS support equivalent to what OSPF has had for many years. As co-author, I obviously support WG adoption. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption IPR Poll for "Restart Signaling for IS-IS" - draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc5306bis-01

2018-08-22 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I am not aware of any relevant IPR applicable to this draft. Les From: Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 6:49 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Paul Wells (pauwells) ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: WG Adoption IPR Poll for "Restart Signaling for IS-IS" - draft-gin

Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-13

2018-08-20 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – V14 of the draft has been posted addressing your comments – subject to my responses previously sent. Please let us know if this is sufficient or you still have concerns which need to be addressed. Les From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 3:52 PM To

Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-13

2018-08-15 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – A very thorough review – thanx. Jeff has the pen – but I think he is on holiday at the moment – so there may be a short delay as regards a new version. I will confine myself to comments on the non-editorial issues. Inline. From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 1:53 PM T

Re: [Lsr] What is the motivation for RFC8401 to have a strict "MUST NOT be set" for R-Flag?

2018-08-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
draft. I don't think there was any reason for this - probably just a cut and paste error. At this point I think you will need to file an Errata. Sigh... Les From: Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 3:40 AM To: b...@ietf.org; Les Ginsberg (gin

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc-05.txt

2018-08-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno – Inline. From: bruno.decra...@orange.com Sent: Friday, August 03, 2018 10:01 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: lsr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-mpls-...@ietf.org; 徐小虎(义先) Subject: RE: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc-05.txt Les, Please see inline [Bruno] From: Les Ginsberg

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc-05.txt

2018-08-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno – I appreciate why you suggest per-prefix signaling for ELC, but I would prefer that we not employ that model. ELC is clearly a node capability – signaling it in per node scope is therefore most appropriate. And it aligns with the SR model where we do not need to depend on hop-by-hop sig

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00

2018-07-17 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
V1 has been posted with the additional text. Hope this clears any issues with the shepherd's report. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 2:07 PM > To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; Acee Lindem (ac

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00

2018-07-17 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
an issue which they will have to consider. If they think receive only is sufficient that's fine, but it is beyond what I think the draft needs to say. Les > -Original Message- > From: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:29 AM > To: Les Ginsber

Re: [Lsr] Concerns with draft-chunduri-lsr-isis-preferred-path-routing

2018-07-17 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Uma - I share the concerns expressed by Ketan and Peter. Although I will certainly consider the additional response you seem to have hinted at in your reply to Peter, it seems to me that Section 6 of your draft acknowledges that there is a scaling problem - and then references what seems to be

[Lsr] Comments on draft-hu-lsr-isis-path-mtu

2018-07-08 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
(Changed the subject – was “RE: [Lsr] IETF 102 LSR Working Group Call for Agenda Items”) Zhibo – Following up on Acee’s comment…he is (of course) quite correct that there already is a per link MTU sub-TLV defined by RFC 7176 – it is sub-TLV 28 defined here: https://www.iana.org/assignments/is

[Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-extensions-03.txt

2018-06-29 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil) Subject: New Version Notification for draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-extensions-03.txt A new version of I-D, draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-extensions-03.txt has been successfully submitted by Les Ginsberg and posted to the IETF repository. Name

[Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc5306bis-01.txt

2018-06-28 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
FYI. The new version of the draft includes an Appendix describing the changes relative to RFC 5306. Otherwise the content is unchanged from V0. Les -Original Message- From: internet-dra...@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:58 AM To: Paul Wells (pauwells) ; Les Ginsberg

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Shepherd review comments

2018-06-15 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Uma – Thank you. I have posted a new version (17) with the previously provided changes. Les From: Uma Chunduri Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 9:21 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: lsr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensi...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00

2018-06-15 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
WG chairs - Can we consider WG last call completed? (It has been more than 3 weeks...) Would really like to get this small but important correction published ASAP. Thanx. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Christian Hopps > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 8:29 AM > To

Re: [Lsr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS)

2018-06-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Gunter - I strongly support Option #2 and strongly support Ketan's recommendation that an MSD sub-type be used to advertise ERLD. This is the unified framework that the MSD advertisement has been designed to support. The following documents provide a unified definition of this mechanism: https

Re: [Lsr] IPR Poll draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd.

2018-06-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I am not aware of any IPR (new, old, borrowed, or blue) related to this document. Les > -Original Message- > From: Christian Hopps > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:38 AM > To: lsr@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org; lsr- > cha...@ietf.org

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Shepherd review comments

2018-06-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Uma – Responses inline. From: Uma Chunduri Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 11:09 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: lsr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensi...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org Subject: Re: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Shepherd

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Shepherd review comments

2018-06-11 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
rything enclosed in [] as a reference does not mean the text requires revision. Idnits also does not allow that a non-RFC document can be a normative reference – but clearly ISO 10589 is a normative reference. Thanx. Les From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 10:00 PM To:

Re: [Lsr] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 (Shepherd write-up)

2018-06-11 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I am not aware of any IPR other than what has already been disclosed. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Uma Chunduri Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 12:18 PM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] IPR Poll on draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 (Shepherd write-up) Dear All, Are you aware of any I

Re: [Lsr] Gentle Reminder!!!Re: draft-ietf-isis-te-app: Clarification on Application Identifier bits

2018-06-11 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
@ietf.org; stef...@previdi.net; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; jdr...@juniper.net Subject: Gentle Reminder!!!Re: draft-ietf-isis-te-app: Clarification on Application Identifier bits Dear Authors, Could you please help me with the query. Please confirm about the new bit for SRv6-TE applications. We are

Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions

2018-06-05 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Muthu – I agree with the comments from all of the folks who have responded to you thus far. The RFC is specifying what the externally visible behavior needs to be in order for the feature to be safely and usefully deployed – it is not specifying HOW to implement that behavior. But, let’s assum

Re: [Lsr] [IANA #1109980] Early Allocation Extension for "IS-IS Extensions for Segment Routing" - draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16.txt

2018-06-04 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- > From: Sabrina Tanamal via RT > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 3:52 PM > Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; draft-ietf- > isis-segment-routing-extensi...@ietf.org; cho...@chopps.org; > uma.chund...@huawei.com; Acee Lindem (acee) > Subject: [IANA #1109980] Early Allocat

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00

2018-05-23 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Support as co-author. This is an important correction to publish in order to address a known interoperability issue. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Christian Hopps > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 8:29 AM > To: lsr@ietf.org > Cc: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.o

Re: [Lsr] LSR Working Group Last Call for "OSPFv3 Extensions for Segment Routing" - draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions-13

2018-05-23 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
+1 to what Acee has said – except for the co-author on RFC 8362 part. ☺ Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 9:41 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR Working Group Last Call for "OSPFv3 Extensions for Segment Routing" - draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-seg

Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs

2018-05-21 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Chris – To be “absolutely clear”, I object to the sharing of the “protocol type” field at any level. We are not talking about “content”. Les From: Christian Hopps Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 10:08 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Flex

Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs

2018-05-21 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs On May 21, 2018, at 11:46 AM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) mailto:ginsb...@cisco.com>> wrote: I fail to see any difference from the IGP algorithm case, whi

Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs

2018-05-21 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Chris - From: Christian Hopps Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 5:44 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs On May 20, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) mailto:ginsb...@cisco.com>>

Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs

2018-05-20 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
y, May 19, 2018 4:48 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs > > > > > On May 19, 2018, at 12:27 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > wrote: > > First, please underst

Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs

2018-05-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
l Message- > From: Christian Hopps > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 6:15 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs > > Hi Les, > > It feels like your response is perhaps

Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs

2018-05-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
(I never saw Chris's original email either - perhaps it was sent during the period when delivery to the alias when compromised.) I am in full agreement w Acee - it is a VERY BAD idea to try to combine protocol TLV registries. There are many reasons for this - here are a few. 1)In IS-IS the scop

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-11.txt

2018-05-16 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
age- > From: Christian Hopps > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 3:09 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: Christian Hopps ; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-11.txt > > > Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) writes: > > > Chris

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-11.txt

2018-05-15 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Chris - > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Christian Hopps > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 8:08 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Christian Hopps > Subject: Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-11.txt > >

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-11.txt

2018-05-15 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Chris - > -Original Message- > From: Christian Hopps > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 1:54 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-11.txt > > > Hi Les, > > I was

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call on "Signaling MSD (Maximum SID Depth) using OSPF"

2018-05-11 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I support WG last call. This document is now mature – and fully aligned with draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd which has already passed last call. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 8:20 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-11.txt

2018-05-10 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This is a minor editorial revision to make the draft consistent w draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd-12. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:49 PM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr]

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-te-app-04.txt

2018-04-27 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This version contains corrections/clarifications to the IANA section which were identified during the recent early allocation of codepoints process. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 2:46 PM > To: i-d-annou...@

Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption call for "IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions" - draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00

2018-04-25 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Acee – Thanx. New version has been submitted – pending WG chair approval to be posted. Les From: Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:17 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: LSR WG Adoption call for "IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Exten

Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption call for "IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions" - draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00

2018-04-25 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
WG chairs – It has been more than 2 weeks since adoption call was initiated and support has been expressed on the list – w no objections. Can we consider WG adoption complete? Can I issue a WG version of the draft? Thanx. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Monday, April

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16

2018-04-23 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Support as co-author. Note that the substantive changes to the document were to remove the unused ERO types - which was a widely supported change. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Christian Hopps > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 7:03 AM > To: lsr@ietf.org > Cc: lsr-

Re: [Lsr] LSR Working Group Secretary

2018-04-23 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bravo! Now LSR is a world class WG. Thanx to Yingzhen for taking on this additional responsibility. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 6:43 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] LSR Working Group Secretary All, I’m delighted to announce that Yingzhen Q

Re: [Lsr] LSR Working Group Adoption Poll for Flex Algorithm Drafts

2018-04-20 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Jie - I strongly agree with Peter here. It is "tempting" to think of algorithm/topology as interchangeable - but I think it is wrong to do so. It is true that some things achievable via flex-algo could be achieved using a separate topology - but at a much higher deployment cost and with conside

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