Re: Lubuntu 12.10 on AMD Athlon 1800+ XP and 1GB RAM: installation crashes

2013-06-16 Thread Nio Wiklund
On 2013-06-16 07:40, Iberê Fernandes wrote: Hi there! I had Ubuntu 10.04 LTs installed on my desktop AMD Athlon 1800+ XP and 1GB RAM. According to cat/proc/cpuinfo it supports PAE. This desktop has been turned off for 2 years and now I decided to install Lubuntu there. Before start

Re: Lubuntu 12.10 on AMD Athlon 1800+ XP and 1GB RAM: installation crashes

2013-06-16 Thread Iberê Fernandes
2013/6/16 Nio Wiklund nio.wikl...@gmail.com Hi Iberę, I don't know why this happens for you, but I have a few tips and work-arounds. 1. Is there a good swap partition on the internal HDD? If not, make one with gparted, when running a live session of for example Ubuntu 10.04 or Lubuntu

Lubuntu 12.10 on AMD Athlon 1800+ XP and 1GB RAM: installation crashes

2013-06-16 Thread Eric Bradshaw
Iber? I've installed Lubuntu 12.04, 12.10 and 13.04 on many different AMD powered machines and there is nothing wrong with that combo as far as I can tell. 1GB RAM should be plenty. Nio's suggestions were all great and quite detailed. One thing I'd like to add is I

Re: Lubuntu 12.10 on AMD Athlon 1800+ XP and 1GB RAM: installation crashes

2013-06-16 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 06/15/2013 10:40 PM, Iberê Fernandes wrote: This desktop has been turned off for 2 years ... Although it has 1GB RAM, lubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso crashes when on slideshow. ... Any ideas what else should I do to install Lubuntu on this AMD desktop? Sounds like a hardware issue to

Re: Lubuntu 12.10 on AMD Athlon 1800+ XP and 1GB RAM: installation crashes

2013-06-16 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 06/16/2013 06:40 AM, Eric Bradshaw wrote: One thing I'd like to add is I don't mess with the 64bit installers - there is nothing wrong with installing a 32bit Lubuntu on a 64bit machine and (for me) makes it easier going forward. Can you explain why? What is the issue with the 64bit

Re: RAM Usage During Installation of Lubuntu

2013-06-16 Thread Aere Greenway
On 06/10/2013 02:25 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: I think the difference is*already installed swap* and it is probably not told to the newbies clearly enough, how important it is when the RAM is low. If you start with a computer without linux, there will be no swap, and if the RAM is below 1 GB (or

zRAM and Live CD

2013-06-16 Thread Yorvyk
As I'd just downloaded the latest daily so I could have a clean install for writing the Lubuntu Manual, I thought I'd have a go installing on a really on a low RAM machine to see if it made any difference. It appears to. Compaq Deskpro EP K450 from last century. Intel 440BX chip set 450 MHz

Re: RAM Usage During Installation of Lubuntu

2013-06-16 Thread Nio Wiklund
On 2013-06-16 20:00, Aere Greenway wrote: On 06/10/2013 02:25 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: I think the difference is *already installed swap* and it is probably not told to the newbies clearly enough, how important it is when the RAM is low. If you start with a computer without linux, there will

Re: zRAM and Live CD

2013-06-16 Thread Nio Wiklund
On 2013-06-16 20:13, Yorvyk wrote: As I'd just downloaded the latest daily so I could have a clean install for writing the Lubuntu Manual, I thought I'd have a go installing on a really on a low RAM machine to see if it made any difference. It appears to. Compaq Deskpro EP K450 from last

Ease of 32bit vs 64bit installation (was: Re: Lubuntu 12.10 on AMD Athlon 1800+ XP and 1GB RAM: installation crashes )

2013-06-16 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 06/16/2013 09:15 AM, Eric Bradshaw wrote: On 06/16/2013 08:39 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: On 06/16/2013 06:40 AM, Eric Bradshaw wrote: One thing I'd like to add is I don't mess with the 64bit installers - there is nothing wrong with installing a 32bit Lubuntu on a 64bit machine and (for

Re: RAM Usage During Installation of Lubuntu

2013-06-16 Thread Yorvyk
On 16/06/13 19:22, Nio Wiklund wrote: On 2013-06-16 20:00, Aere Greenway wrote: On 06/10/2013 02:25 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: I think the difference is *already installed swap* and it is probably not told to the newbies clearly enough, how important it is when the RAM is low. If you start with

Re: RAM Usage During Installation of Lubuntu

2013-06-16 Thread Aere Greenway
On 06/16/2013 12:22 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote: On 2013-06-16 20:00, Aere Greenway wrote: On 06/10/2013 02:25 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: I think the difference is *already installed swap* and it is probably not told to the newbies clearly enough, how important it is when the RAM is low. If you start

Re: RAM Usage During Installation of Lubuntu

2013-06-16 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote: On 06/16/2013 11:22 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: I think your analysis is correct, so if you have low RAM 1. Make sure there is swap and that it is active before starting the installer 2. Do not touch it during

Re: RAM Usage During Installation of Lubuntu

2013-06-16 Thread Phill Whiteside
Yes, as zRam does eventually kick in and help out, if it lowers the RAM spec required for the Desktop system, then its place in the ISO is fully warranted. Once we have the results in for how 13.10 works with it we can make it a bit clearer on our GelLubuntu page which will also be repeated in the

Re: RAM Usage During Installation of Lubuntu

2013-06-16 Thread Yorvyk
On 16/06/13 21:27, Nio Wiklund wrote: See inline and end On 2013-06-16 21:36, Jonathan Marsden wrote: On 06/16/2013 11:22 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: I think your analysis is correct, so if you have low RAM 1. Make sure there is swap and that it is active before starting the installer 2. Do not

Re: RAM Usage During Installation of Lubuntu

2013-06-16 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
Nio, Patient, my friend :D Once we are done from our tests (I'm doing many tests as of now) and 'update' the Wiki, all the problems, IMHO, will be solved. We first need to understand an important point, IMHO: We need to understand that the minimum requirement to 'install' Lubuntu is NOT the

Re: RAM Usage During Installation of Lubuntu

2013-06-16 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote: For the manual we need to know the lowest amount of RAM needed to run the Live CD install on it's default settings before recommending the Alternate CD. +1 Ditto! We could write an entire manual on install

Re: RAM Usage During Installation of Lubuntu

2013-06-16 Thread Nio Wiklund
On 2013-06-16 22:40, Yorvyk wrote: On 16/06/13 21:27, Nio Wiklund wrote: See inline and end On 2013-06-16 21:36, Jonathan Marsden wrote: On 06/16/2013 11:22 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote: I think your analysis is correct, so if you have low RAM 1. Make sure there is swap and that it is active

Re: RAM Usage During Installation of Lubuntu

2013-06-16 Thread Ali Linx (amjjawad)
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:58 AM, Nio Wiklund nio.wikl...@gmail.com wrote: My testing supports the old statement in a Lubuntu wiki page, '700 MB'. I would say Install from the alternate iso below 768 MB RAM, but I know several of us can manage at far lower levels. Best regards Nio As I

Re: zRAM and Live CD

2013-06-16 Thread Yorvyk
On 16/06/13 22:02, Yorvyk wrote: On 16/06/13 20:09, Yorvyk wrote: Compaq Deskpro EP K450 from last century. Intel 440BX chip set 450 MHz Pentium III 256 MiB PC100 RAM 6.4 GB HDD (from Oct 1998) MGA G200 AGP graphics Using the pre-partitioning method with the above hardware and 13.04.

Re: zRAM and Live CD

2013-06-16 Thread Phill Whiteside
Steve, at 128MB we are pretty much at the level where you cannot run the standard applications! xombrero should hopefully be able to run with lubuntu-core at those levels. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements It is the the section on 256 MB+ that is being heavily tested. It is

Re: Ease of 32bit vs 64bit installation

2013-06-16 Thread Aere Greenway
On 06/16/2013 07:06 PM, Eric Bradshaw wrote: I don't know what may have changed with Java. Eric: As I recall, the Open Java package default-jre gave you Java level 1.6 an Lubuntu 12.04. On Lubuntu 13.04, it gives you Java level 1.7. I think the default-jre is Java level 1.7 on Lubuntu