Re: usage rights, facsimiles etc...

2003-11-29 Thread Michael Thames
Euge, This leads me to the question of who has access to facsimiles. Certainly, If I walk in to a museum and ask to see Bach's original works I will most likley be turned away. But if someone else is in the bussiness of publishing music has access, with the intention of making a profit, and bei

Re: performer edition, facsimiles (was usage rights, facsimiles etc...)

2003-11-29 Thread Bruno
Hi guys, Just to let you know, in case Miles doesn't read his emails, ... Miles moved out in the country this past summer, he is no longer in=20 Montreal, but in Marbleton, near Sherbrooke city in eastern Quebec. His new address is: 615 rue des =E9rables Marbleton, Quebec J0B 2L0 tel: 819 887-

Score Conversions

2003-11-29 Thread Edward Martin
It seems, after posting an announcement of the Fuenllana book published by Miles Dempster, that the e-mail address has changed. It is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202

interesting reading - facsimilies - another ps

2003-11-29 Thread Wayne Cripps
p.p.s. www.lib.lsu.edu/collserv/colldev/policies/Copyright/sec11.pdf, says that in the USA unpublished works created before 1978 published before 1/1/2001 are copyright till 2048. Wayne

interesting reading - facsimilies

2003-11-29 Thread Wayne Cripps
Hi everyone - I did a quick net search and came up with some interesting information on *unpublished* *manuscripts*.. http://tyler.hrc.utexas.edu/ seems to say that unpulished manuscripts in the USA came out of copyright December 31, 2002, while http://www.bl.uk/collections/manuscriptscopy.h

Re: performer edition, facsimiles (was usage rights, facsimiles etc...)

2003-11-29 Thread Edward Martin
Dear Chris, I agree, in that Fuenllana is fantastic music. However there already is a modern performing edition of this work, done by Miles Dempster, in Montreal. The book is, "Miguel Fuenllana - Orphenica Lyra - The fantasias tientos, and other works set in French tablature for lute or vihuel

RE: performer edition, facsimiles (was usage rights, facsimiles etc...)

2003-11-29 Thread Candace Magner
Wayne said: "A library can make you sign a contract that restricts you from publishing the material or making the material available to others when you request access to it. You would then be liable for breach of contract if you violated the agreement that you signed." Chris asked, :"can I create

Re: performer edition, facsimiles (was usage rights, facsimiles etc...)

2003-11-29 Thread Wayne Cripps
> > If I get a facsimile or manuscript of a public domain work, can I create a > modern tab edition without licensing the rights (not copyright) from the work > holder? I think there may be legal (as opposed to civil) restrictions on manuscripts, especially those that have not beem published.

performer edition, facsimiles (was usage rights, facsimiles etc...)

2003-11-29 Thread Christopher Schaub
I think I'll restate my original question since the discussion has ranged a bit. If I get a facsimile or manuscript of a public domain work, can I create a modern tab edition without licensing the rights (not copyright) from the work holder? If I wanted to resell an exact reproduction (printed scan

Re: usage rights, facsimiles etc...

2003-11-29 Thread Wayne Cripps
> > No, no library--nobody--can hold rights to public domain material. Once > you've done whatever the holder requires to lay hands to the facsimile > (fees, proper use of your library card, whatever), it's yours to do with as > you please. > Well, not exactly. A library can make you sign a

Re: usage rights, facsimiles etc...

2003-11-29 Thread Euge
At 03:00 PM 11/29/03 -0800, Christopher Schaub wrote: >Good point, and I wasn't trying to suggest that you could go and just make >copies and re-distribute them! I believe most publishers enhance their >facsimiles and manuscripts with some "clean up" to protect them under the >various copyright law

Re: usage rights, facsimiles etc...

2003-11-29 Thread Euge
At 02:28 PM 11/29/03 -0800, Christopher Schaub wrote: >You would have to check with Tree Editions to be sure. It's very possible that >there are edits and formatting that you are unaware of -- many publishers >"clean up" the facsimiles and manuscripts before they publish them. Removing >player's no

Re: usage rights, facsimiles etc...

2003-11-29 Thread Christopher Schaub
Good point, and I wasn't trying to suggest that you could go and just make copies and re-distribute them! I believe most publishers enhance their facsimiles and manuscripts with some "clean up" to protect them under the various copyright laws. In the past, I spoke with a publisher about this who di

11 course lutes

2003-11-29 Thread Michael Thames
Hello everyone, I've just finished drawing up the Berr lute. The experience has = left me with more questions than answers. It seems the common assumption is, that during the Baroque time, ren. = lutes were converted over to 11 course lutes, from 6 course lutes, first = by the French, and

Re: Lute Questions

2003-11-29 Thread David Rastall
On Saturday, November 29, 2003, at 05:24 PM, Howard Posner wrote: > When I started playing lute, my teacher told me to spend a few weeks > playing > thumb-in simply to make my lute hand distinct from my guitar hand, to > impart > a physical understanding that the instruments were different and

Re: usage rights, facsimiles etc...

2003-11-29 Thread Christopher Schaub
You would have to check with Tree Editions to be sure. It's very possible that there are edits and formatting that you are unaware of -- many publishers "clean up" the facsimiles and manuscripts before they publish them. Removing player's notes etc. Also, any cover pages and additional text would b

Re: usage rights, facsimiles etc...

2003-11-29 Thread Howard Posner
Christopher Schaub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You'll notice in many facisimile editions there is no > copyright notice for this very reason! In most jurisdictions, including the United States, there is no requirement of a copyright notice to secure copyright protection. This has been the case

Re: Lute Questions

2003-11-29 Thread Howard Posner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, like so many before him, dating back to time immemorial, or at least the late 1970's: > I tried, as recommended, placing the little finger of the > right hand on the soundboard, playing with the thumb inside the hand. But > frankly, I fail to see the advantage of doing any

Re: usage rights, facsimiles etc...

2003-11-29 Thread Michael Thames
The reason for my inquire is that I have a tablature facsimile of Bach BWV 995, 997, 1000 for Baroque lute by tree editions. There is no mention of any copy rights, and obviously no edits, just photos. So, I assume the only money they made on this, was to sell it to me. I assume I'm free t

Re: Lute Questions

2003-11-29 Thread Ed Durbrow
> >When I started, I tried, as recommended, placing the little finger of the >right hand on the soundboard, playing with the thumb inside the hand. But >frankly, I fail to see the advantage of doing any of this. Keeping >the little finger >on the soundboard simply limits the scope of the right han

Re: Lute Questions

2003-11-29 Thread Arne Keller
At 13:11 29-11-2003 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Greetings one and all, from the UK (just outside Bath)! I am new here, and >also new to the lute. I come from the guitar, and began playing the lute about >two months ago. Dear Richard, welcome aboard! Since you have been playing so much se

Lute Questions

2003-11-29 Thread RichardTomBeck
Greetings one and all, from the UK (just outside Bath)! I am new here, and also new to the lute. I come from the guitar, and began playing the lute about two months ago. I had to retire early from the world of academic music (most serial, I fear) due to tendonitis in my left hand, didn't play fo

Re: usage rights, facsimiles etc...

2003-11-29 Thread Christopher Schaub
This is correct. You'll notice in many facisimile editions there is no copyright notice for this very reason! I wonder how many facsimile publishers are getting the reproduction license rights from the libraries that hold the original. I question this because -- according to my faulty math -- you'd

Re: usage rights, facsimiles etc...

2003-11-29 Thread Euge
At 08:48 AM 11/29/03 -0600, Michael Thames wrote: >What about a Facsimile from say a publisher, who simply photgraghed the >original facsimile with no edits, just the photograph and sold it. Do they >have any copyright protection, once it's sold and out of their hands? >Michael Thames Nope. As

Re: usage rights, facsimiles etc...

2003-11-29 Thread Michael Thames
What about a Facsimile from say a publisher, who simply photgraghed the original facsimile with no edits, just the photograph and sold it. Do they have any copyright protection, once it's sold and out of their hands? Michael Thames Luthier www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com Site design by Natalina Cal

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2003-11-29 Thread corun
Seth wrote: >Scott Lemire and I have just released our first CD- The leaves be >green: English Lute duets. The two samples are very nice. Good work indeed. Regards, Craig

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2003-11-29 Thread Seth Warner
Dear Lute list Scott Lemire and I have just released our first CD- The leaves be green: English Lute duets. Recorded last winter here in Portland, Maine (at "The Studio" of all places) this disc surveys the music from around the time of Queen Elizabeth that survives

Re: usage rights, facsimiles etc...

2003-11-29 Thread Euge
Hello Chris et al., I recently discussed some of these same topics with a friend of mine who happens to be a copyright researcher in the Copyright Office of the US Library of Congress. At 05:58 AM 11/29/03 -0800, Christopher Schaub wrote: >We both agreed that there probably aren't any >copyrigh

usage rights, facsimiles etc...

2003-11-29 Thread Christopher Schaub
Hello all. I just got back from a wonderful Thanksgiving visiting my family in Ohio. My uncle is a patent/trademark attorney, and I cornered him to discuss the use of facsimiles and derived works. I mentioned the fees that libraries charge to get a "license" to use or redistribute reproductions of

Re: fretted ud ?

2003-11-29 Thread Jon Murphy
> Jon, Islamic music really is non-harmonic in the sense that it is > more-or-less modal melody plus percussion. Even when two or more tones > sound simultaneously, as in the use of a drone, it's non-harmonic in the > technical sense of functional harmonies. I concur, I used the term harmonic in t

Re: ivory in lutes

2003-11-29 Thread Jon Murphy
Ariel, A rational and reasoned response. We disagree only on some of the details of the sources of the problems. I agree that if the internal trading in protected substances (i.e., retail sales of the products derived) in the advanced economies were better controlled there would be less demand. Bu

Re: For Francesco Tribioli, sorry

2003-11-29 Thread Jon Murphy
Rainer, It may be that Francesco's account is fine, but that his server is having difficulty or yours is - or one of the "translation nodes" on the route is screwed up. "Permanent error" merely means that the system has tried to deliver a number of times over a specified time period. Temporary pro

Re: Guitar strings on a lute.

2003-11-29 Thread Jon Murphy
I sit corrected Stewart, but how did you count them? I guess I am reluctant to do my pontifications without a caveat saying that I don't know the lute. My lady says "ask Murphy the time and he'll tell you how to build a watch". I am an inveterate analyst, even on topics I don't know. Best, Jon >