[LUTE] Re: tuning

2005-12-18 Thread LGS-Europe
Interesting, David, but why bother? There are many depictions of lutes playing alongside citterns and keyboards, - there is no way to get them all .. intellectualise oneself into a black hole with this subject. In the world of practicalities, one just gets on with playing. Dear Rob I

[LUTE] Re: tuning

2005-12-18 Thread Rob MacKillop
David, I have re-read your first post and see that you did not quite say what I immediately assumed you were saying. Apologies. I saw phrases like 'no-go areas' and 'tastini' and thought, 'Oh, oh. Here is someone making life too difficult for himself'. I did not say that YOU were

[LUTE] Theorbo or 10c wanted

2005-12-18 Thread Rob MacKillop
I am looking for a second-hand theorbo or 10c lute, including case for up to 3,000 pounds sterling (5,000 USD or 4,500Euros). Must have ebony fingerboard. I actually want both instruments, but can only afford one. This is an expensive business! Email me privately, please. Rob MacKillop

[LUTE] Re: tuning

2005-12-18 Thread Phalese
In einer eMail vom 18.12.2005 10:30:26 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Playing with the Concertgebouw? I am jealous! Rob There was a time when lutenists would have been not been jealous to perform with baroque music with a modern orchestra ! Mark -- To get on or

[LUTE] Re: tuning

2005-12-18 Thread Rob MacKillop
Modern or period matters less than quality of musicianship. The Concertgebouw play to a very high standard. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 December 2005 11:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning In

[LUTE] Re: tuning

2005-12-18 Thread Phalese
In einer eMail vom 18.12.2005 12:27:06 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Modern or period matters less than quality of musicianship. The Concertgebouw play to a very high standard. Rob But modern or period still does matter, I enjoy listening to Bruckner, Mahler

[LUTE] Re: tuning

2005-12-18 Thread Rob MacKillop
There are enough good authentic orchestras out there that modern performances of baroque music are a bit pointless. That's true. But you are lucky. Where I live there is no 'authentic' orchestra. I wish there were. Rob To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: tuning

2005-12-18 Thread Phalese
Hi, I just done a search on the web and it seems as you say there is not a single baroque orchestra in Scotland. Why not, is the musical life of scotland so conservative ? Nice to see you want to return to the lute, why your sudden change of heart ? best wishes Mark -- To get on or off this

[LUTE] FXI

2005-12-18 Thread Rob MacKillop
Getting towards the end of Book 4 of Fuenllana. This has been a journey of discovery for me, and I hope some of you have enjoyed sitting in the back seat as I drive around Fuenllana County. Here is number XI (of 13): http://www.musicintime.co.uk/dates.htm or

[LUTE] Re: tuning

2005-12-18 Thread Roman Turovsky
There are enough good authentic orchestras out there that modern performances of baroque music are a bit pointless. Unless they are well and tastefully played. I enjoy such performances quite a bit. Also, authenticity can be rather mediocre, or amateurish still, which is authentic in turn, if

[LUTE] Re: tuning

2005-12-18 Thread Rob MacKillop
Don't get me started on Early Music and Scotland! I could be at the typewriter all day, and in an ambulance before nightfall. Why am I getting back to the lute? I need one for my new post. I have just become Musician In Residence to a University for 3,500 nurses!!! I have to get them singing and

[LUTE] Re: the smoking ... derringer ... double barrelled

2005-12-18 Thread Roman Turovsky
what's interesting about grunfeld's comment on the figure is the mention of strolling players - itinerant, folk musicians - and small vihuelas. obviously, they existed in sufficient numbers in the early 16th cent. to be recorded in stone. as mudarra's guitar had a figure 8 shape with neck,

[LUTE] Re: tuning

2005-12-18 Thread Daniel Shoskes
On Dec 18, 2005, at 8:49 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: . Why am I getting back to the lute? I need one for my new post. I have just become Musician In Residence to a University for 3,500 nurses!!! Hmm. Shades of Antonio Vivaldi? To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: tuning

2005-12-18 Thread bruno
So Rob quit for one year, all the fuss over his quitting.and all I've seen that before with Pascal Monteilhet , back in the 1980's , he was going to quit for good, to go and live in Tahitithen he came back after a year, and resumed the lute... You can never quit the lute forever, I've

[LUTE] Re: tuning/modern orchestras

2005-12-18 Thread chriswilke
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But modern or period still does matter, I enjoy listening to Bruckner, Mahler etc. There are enough good authentic orchestras out there that modern performances of baroque music are a bit pointless. Mark Shall we come up with a list a acceptable

[LUTE] Re: modern orchestras playing baroque music (was: tuning)

2005-12-18 Thread LGS-Europe
An inaudible lute showing it's extended pegbox is just not good enough for me, I expect a so high a level of musicianship that the musicians are interested in the music that they are playing. Not just doing their job. There are enough good authentic orchestras out there that modern

[LUTE] Re: tuning/modern orchestras/King Kong

2005-12-18 Thread Phalese
Hi, I don't want to stop anybody doing anything, playing baroque music on modern instruments is not a crime. But to illustrate what I miss in such modern performances and as you have pointed out rarely find in authentic performances is what could I might call the Peter Jackson approach! I

[LUTE] Re: tuning

2005-12-18 Thread Phalese
In einer eMail vom 18.12.2005 14:42:09 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Also, authenticity can be rather mediocre, or amateurish still, which is authentic in turn, if you read Burney, but. RT Many of the qualities that we view as good classical musicianship

[LUTE] Re: Telemann lute music?

2005-12-18 Thread Arthur Ness
In addition to the two partitas in Warsaw (cited by Fabio), there seems to be more Telemann in the Rostock tablatures. Mus. Saec. XVIII-13/26.1 has a partita (Allegro, Menuet, Aria adagio, Gigue) attr. to Sig. Tallman (also spelled Dallmon) with a Contrapartie for a second lute in

[LUTE] Re: tuning/modern orchestras/King Kong

2005-12-18 Thread Stuart LeBlanc
We all prefer 100% HIP, but there are still plenty recordings on modern instruments which remain benchmarks for listeners and performers. Having said that... I have practically no inclination to see Spielberg's adaptation of Wells, but in fairness it must be observed that Spielberg knows good

[LUTE] Re: tuning/modern orchestras/King Kong

2005-12-18 Thread Phalese
Hi, Catch me if you can is a wonderful film and Minority Report is OK, sad that only short stories by Philip K. Dick seem to be filmed. I do not mean that Spielberg is a bad film maker, he has made many fine films, but I just wanted to compare the approaches of the 2 remakes. best wishes

[LUTE] Re: modern orchestras playing baroque music (was: tuning)

2005-12-18 Thread Stephan . Olbertz
Am 18 Dec 2005 um 16:59 hat LGS-Europe geschrieben: David - adding 20 guts strings to the Concertgebouw Orchestra, more than the whole string section together! :-) You don't count the second violin in... And with a nice 5 string bass they beat you all in all :-) Regards, Stephan To get on