[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings

2007-06-20 Thread EUGENE BRAIG IV
- Original Message - From: David Van Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:19 am Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Carbon strings > I wasn't trawling with a fishing line, I was using the net to > gather stuff from the underwater world! Very nice! Sounds like a day on the jo

[LUTE] Re: vihuela's black swan

2007-06-20 Thread EUGENE BRAIG IV
- Original Message - From: gary digman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:35 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: vihuela's black swan > > - Original Message - > From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "bill kilpatrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

[LUTE] Re: Carbon versus KF, Venice versus Lyons?

2007-06-20 Thread David Rastall
On Jun 20, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Martin Shepherd wrote: > [Dowland] says that the practice of using octaves (on the 6th) was > "nowhere so much used as here in England", implying that the poor > backward English lutenists [perhaps endowed with inferior strings] > clung > to their old habits longer t

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings

2007-06-20 Thread Roman Turovsky
For some unknown reason Seaguar is hard to find in the NYC area (most carbon sold here is usually way too thick), and I was advised to look in shops that specialize in freshwater gear, rare here. One day I went deep into the boonies of New Jersey on a film job, and there was a fishing shop acro

[LUTE] Re: Pickering or Pickeringe?

2007-06-20 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Stephen (Steven?) I may be wrong (I often am) but I don't think the spelling of names was quite so standardised at that time. I see much variation for Holbourne, etcÂ… There may be an accepted spelling, but that would probably be a modern fairly arbitrary decision, I think. Anthony

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings

2007-06-20 Thread Edward Martin
Such a fresh point of view from an old salty! ed At 09:43 AM 6/20/2007 -0400, Roman Turovsky wrote: >BTW, carbon line fit for lutes is mainly freshwater gauges. >RT > >- Original Message - >From: "David Van Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: "

[LUTE] Re: Pickering or Pickeringe?

2007-06-20 Thread Edward Martin
Stepen, In the front of her book, on f.lv in 16 16, inscribed: Jane Pickeringe owe this Booke 1616 In the Boethius edition, Robert Spencer gives an introductory study, and he states in the 1877 British Museum "Catalogue of Additions 1854-1857" identified her thus: "A daughter of Sir John Puc

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings

2007-06-20 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Jason, That's very kind and helpful. I did search about online but couldn't find anything a few months ago, I'll look on the site you recommend. BTW I'm not trying to go behind the string suppliers, Kuerschner had discontinued 0.70mm carbon because he said that it is no longer available w

[LUTE] Re: Carbon versus KF, Venice versus Lyons?

2007-06-20 Thread Anthony Hind
Sorry for sending doublons. I forgot to send to lute Net Dear Martin > 1. Dowland was writing in 1610, specifically about the issue of > whether > the 6th course should or should not be in octaves. He says nothing > about the 7th, 8th and 9th, which we can assume [for technological and > other

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings

2007-06-20 Thread Jason Yoshida
I guess it would depend on the size of your local freshwater fish. For Howard and me in Southern California, on lakes you would be using fluorocarbon diameters much smaller than .30mm. Here, most diameters of fluorocarbon applicable to a lute would be used in saltwater fishing or maybe for very la

[LUTE] Re: Carbon versus KF, Venice versus Lyons?

2007-06-20 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear Anthony, Thanks for the extra information. It is very important to be clear about this business of Dowland and octaves, as it is widely misunderstood/misinterpreted, and it seems already to have entered the collective folklore in the same way as the idea that Dowland was born in Dublin -

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings

2007-06-20 Thread David Van Edwards
At 09:43 -0400 20/6/07, Roman Turovsky wrote: >BTW, carbon line fit for lutes is mainly freshwater gauges. >RT Dear Roman, That may be the root of the problem since 0.7mm, the size I'm after, implies a fish bigger than most freshwater fish. David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, N

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings

2007-06-20 Thread Roman Turovsky
BTW, carbon line fit for lutes is mainly freshwater gauges. RT - Original Message - From: "David Van Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Lutelist" Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:19 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Carbon strings > At 14:41 -0400 19/6/

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings

2007-06-20 Thread David Van Edwards
At 14:41 -0400 19/6/07, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: > >>When you start trawling [sorry!] round, it's whole different world >>out there underwater, where they are interested in the refractive >>index being close to that of seawater so the lines are invisible (the >>big attraction of carbon apparently)

[LUTE] Re: Carbon versus KF, Venice versus Lyons?

2007-06-20 Thread Anthony Hind
Sorry the quotation levels seem to have been removed from my last message. I will try again. Dear Martin Le 20 juin 07 =E0 10:45, Martin Shepherd a ecrit : > Dear Anthony, > > I have not tried KF for the 6th course but I am pretty certain it > would > be too stiff. The Lyons are also relativ

[LUTE] Re: Carbon versus KF, Venice versus Lyons?

2007-06-20 Thread Anthony Hind
Le 20 juin 07 =E0 10:45, Martin Shepherd a ecrit : Dear Martin I have not tried KF for the 6th course but I am pretty certain it would be too stiff. The Lyons are also relatively stiff (it is high twist, but not double- twist like the Pistoy or the Venice), and perhaps it does need an octave s

[LUTE] Re: Carbon versus KF, Venice versus Lyons?

2007-06-20 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear Anthony, I have not tried KF for the 6th course but I am pretty certain it would be too stiff. As far as transitions from one course to another are concerned, I think you need to make the 5th course brighter, not compromise the 4th course by making it duller. Having an octave on the 5th

[LUTE] Re: vihuela's black swan

2007-06-20 Thread gary digman
- Original Message - From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "bill kilpatrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: vihuela's black swan "... Investing oneself too wholly in belief is potentially limiting." Or