[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?

2010-10-07 Thread howard posner
On Oct 7, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Martin Shepherd wrote: > The issue about "archlutes" with shorter string lengths is muddying the > waters a bit - I was assuming that everyone accepted a differentiation > (dating right back to Robert Spencer's paper in 1976) between "liuti > attiorbati" (surviving

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?

2010-10-07 Thread Martin Shepherd
Howard is right - I was making assumptions about 17th C strings (that their breaking pitch was roughly the same as modern gut strings, for which issue I refer you to Mimmo) but even if their strings were much stronger, we still have to contend with the tension problem - just how tight can you

[LUTE] Bottaccio, Paolo - Canzon La Carcana

2010-10-07 Thread Anton Höger
hi, I have uploaded a new Duo for 2 equal lutes with a few interesting harmonical runs. Bottaccio, Paolo - Canzon La Carcana Enjoy Anton here is my newest list: 2 Lutes (10-chors) http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=2ff9bbd6c00cf4bce5c3dee5769931ec581ba18fc46fe28aa7b01

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?

2010-10-07 Thread François Pizette
dear Martin, dear all, In fact, accepting to play at modern pich A = 440 Hz with the maximum string lengh possible with this pitch AND modern strings comes to that critical size of 67 cm for the strings lenght. Most of he archlute original repertoire is (just) playable with this string lenght. I

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?

2010-10-07 Thread howard posner
On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: > 17th C archlutes were indeed about 67cm string length and used gut strings > for which the highest practical pitch was about a'=392 or possibly lower. It > follows that the ensembles in which they played must have used these low > pitches.

[LUTE] help please !

2010-10-07 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Dear collective wisdom and knowledge, Would any one of you with an access to JSTOR get this articel and forward it to me as a pdf file : http://www.jstor.org/pss/932609 I have to write an introcuctory text for a facsimile of 17th century local "Noëls" (Christmas Carols) and this study might giv

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?

2010-10-07 Thread Anthony Hind
Martin I can't resist, how about this to fit your bill, certainly no cheating or pretence here? The Orfeo, ba-rock opera - Vi ricorda [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKJWS9Jtbas It was a rehearsal for a larger performance, I believe. Apparently this reminded some on the

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?

2010-10-07 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear All, On 07/10/2010 13:52, François Pizette wrote: Dear Anthony, and allI was one of these two french luthenists.In fact Titanium nylon trebles is my best solution to have a great tensile strengh and an easy to handle diameter, so a lower density is the most important thing. My aim is to

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?

2010-10-07 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Franc,ois Thank you for contributing to the discussion. Perhaps you could say what diameter you would need for the double top string on this instrument, if it was gut, and what you actually have with Titanium Nylon? Would 67cm have been the historic length for such an in

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?

2010-10-07 Thread François Pizette
Dear Anthony, and allI was one of these two french luthenists.In fact Titanium nylon trebles is my best solution to have a great tensile strengh and an easy to handle diameter, so a lower density is the most important thing. My aim is to play on my "classical" archlute by Gyorgy Lorinczi accor

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?

2010-10-07 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Valery I know of at least one modern professional lutenist, living near me, who has changed to all gut (including expensive loaded basses on two of his Baroque lutes), this in spite of the price, just to achieve an improved sound, particularly because he felt wound basse

[LUTE] Re: Chrismas songs

2010-10-07 Thread Mathias Rösel
Not to forget http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Fronimo_editor/files/Tablatures/ where there are 15 carols http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8G-tTHDbv4XbhGjb5b_JvAcXu6kwXLLUjgmkN_Pr-S9neuYqLu2svSHs2lpauDRChImWNgkY7riQdDd60wtc3-gsc9Y34qMp5HWb/Tablatures/15German%20Xmas%20songs1.ft3 Easy carols http:

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?

2010-10-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
No problem here - what consenting adults do on their own is their own business. It's simply that if we are seeking a sound as close as possible to what the Old Ones heard we ought to replicate what is known of early stringing - and one thing is very clear: gut was generally used for

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?

2010-10-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Well, that's your view. But please note that these 'titanium nylon' strings reported by Anthony appear to be the very opposite of 'carbon' strings: in that they are less dense than gut and even plain nylon whereas 'carbon' strings are significantly denser than gut. MH --- On We

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?

2010-10-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
You raise the very problem you seek to avoid: what is a 'good' sound. MH --- On Wed, 6/10/10, Sauvage Valery wrote: From: Sauvage Valery Subject: [LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon? To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 6 October, 2010, 18:49 Seek

[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?

2010-10-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Anthony, You'll see that, in fact, I restricted my observations to trebles only: stringing of other courses is more problematical - speculation on loaded gut, catlines, very high twist strings and the like have yet to be resolved. I was simply reaffirming that we do know w