As a response to mentioning Sting, in a neutral way as far as I was
aware, in my recent ramblings on how music becomes different with a
different sound aesthetic, I received a rather unpleasant private
e-mail insinuating I have a grudge against Sting. Nothing could be
further from the truth, in fac
And I missed the opportunity to use Stung by a Lutenist as subject line ... |-(
David
On 3 July 2011 11:25, David van Ooijen wrote:
> As a response to mentioning Sting, in a neutral way as far as I was
> aware, in my recent ramblings on how music becomes different with a
> different sound aesthe
Dear Mathias,
As a man of the cloth, you will know that music has long been able to
have a powerful effect on the listener:
"And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that
David took an harp, and played with his hand; so Saul was refreshed. And
was well, and the evil spiri
That's very true,
but -
There are instances of decidedly unpowerful and inconsequential music having
a power effect on a lot of listeners.
RT
- Original Message -
From: "Stewart McCoy"
To: "Lute Net"
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: [LUTE] What's the point to 'historical s
- Original Message -
From: "howard posner"
To: "Lutelist"
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 12:24 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Gynocentricityness
On Jul 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Monica Hall wrote:
If there is such a word it should be gynAEcentric.
cf. gynaecology, gynaeceum etc
Ms. Cus
On Jul 3, 2011, at 1:12 AM, howard posner wrote:
As far as I can follow it (and following it isn't easy) this entire
discussion about "self-expression" suffers from terminal
vagueness. What exactly are we talking about?...A discussion of
this sort really needs carefully defined terms or it
GynEcology. British AE is generally American E.
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Monica Hall <[1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:
- Original Message - From: "howard posner"
<[2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
To: "Lutelist" <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 03
Howard,
That's BS, because you should know that a goodly portion of the Mass nicely
predates the events in question, having been composed previously as an
oratorio "Davidde Penitente".
And I distinctly recall a famous musicologist referring to the choice of
c-minor as a "slap in the face of exc
That's Creativity, not Self-Expression.
RT
From: "David R"
The term "self expression" can refer to the phenomenon of taking a
bunch of notes and makng "music" out of them.
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On Jul 3, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
That's Creativity, not Self-Expression.
You remind me of those music students who say, "I don't want to learn
music, I just want to learn to play the..." (fill in the instrument
of your choice).
If one is capable of creativity, then surel
No, these are 2 entirely unrelated insticts,
and ideally they produce great results, when combined in the same
individual.
That is not so common.
A powerful instinct for self expression, unsupported by that of creativity
may
produce something like this Russian composer:
http://www.youtube.com/
On Jul 3, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
No, these are 2 entirely unrelated insticts,
and ideally they produce great results, when combined in the same
individual.
That is not so common.
Ever wonder why it's not so common?
A powerful instinct for self expression, unsupported by th
One of my all-tme favorites, a song about a cossack who comes home from a
war to find a child that doesn't resemble him, but has a distinct Gypsy
look. He interrogates his wife, she is being evasive, but finally confesses.
He takes out his saber and takes her head off.
Cantio Sarmatoruthenica X
On 7/3/2011 6:13 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
That's very true,
but -
There are instances of decidedly unpowerful and inconsequential music
having
a power effect on a lot of listeners.
RT
Once again I refer everyone to:
On Music- In Three Books
by Aristides Quintilianus
Translation , with Intr
On Jul 3, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
No, these are 2 entirely unrelated insticts,
and ideally they produce great results, when combined in the same
individual.
That is not so common.
Ever wonder why it's not so common?
No. This is now it should be.
RT
A powerful instinct
On Jul 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, Monica Hall wrote:
> Or American? Do you refer to Gynocology in the States?
I rarely refer to gynecology, regardless of what state I'm in, and I would
definitely avoid the word in Utah, especially on a Sunday. I sometimes refer
to "my wife's OB guy."
You might
Ok. I had decided to start from the easiest tune. In my opinion this
tune was "Schoner deutscher dantz".
And what do you think? Was it easy? Not at all!
Here is little video of my tortures with it:
[1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iswze5VJzNQ
Maybe 67cm string measure is to b
On Jul 3, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
> Howard,
> That's BS, because you should know that a goodly portion of the Mass nicely
> predates the events in question, having been composed previously as an
> oratorio "Davidde Penitente".
You have it backwards: the oratorio Davidde Peniten
You might be interested to know that the The Random House Dictionary of
the English Language, Unabridged Edition (1968) p. 632, defines "gyno-" as
"a learned borrowing from Greek meaning 'female,' 'woman,' used in the
formation of compound words [e.g.] gynophore."
Which is American. I checke
That may very well be so, but a Mass does not have to complete to be a
full-blown slap in the face of the ecclesiastical taste. And eccessive
melancholy has always been viewed with suspicion by the authorities. Still
is.
RT
From: "howard posner"
Howard,
That's BS, because you should know t
On Jul 3, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Monica Hall wrote:
> Which is American. I checked the Complete Oxford Dictionary on-line and all
> the sources it quotes seem to be American
You seem to imply that if they're American, they don't count...
> Well - we all know Americans spell things in a funny wa
On Jul 3, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
> That may very well be so, but a Mass does not have to complete to be a
> full-blown slap in the face of the ecclesiastical taste. And eccessive
> melancholy has always been viewed with suspicion by the authorities. Still is.
I no longer know w
Gorgeous! I might be the only one asking this, but would it be
possible at some point to have the lyrics included the initial
statement of the melody? I'd love to pretend I'm a Ukrainian bard
singing to his bandura, and I can pronounce Ukrainian and Russian ok...
Edward C. Yong
ky...@pacifi
Thank you, Edward!
Lyrics sent.
RT
- Original Message -
From: "Edward C. Yong"
To: "Roman Turovsky"
Cc: "Lutelist"
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Cantiones
Gorgeous! I might be the only one asking this, but would it be
possible at some point to have the ly
Hi, Monica and all,
It's gynEcology here. Or "GYN", pronounced "Gee-why-en".
Best,
Chris.
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Monica Hall <[1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:
- Original Message - From: "howard posner"
<[2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
To: "Lutelist"
David,
this is awesome. I'll try to play it myself that way according to your
video. Who can attack you because of your assumed personal preferences?!?
Best wishes,
Mathias
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im
> Auftrag von
Dear Stewart,
Whoever performs on the lute, will necessarily focus on their audience.
Tonight I introduced the lute to very young students of a music school.
Since children under, say, eleven years of age usually can't distinguish
eras of the past, I told them that the lute belongs to that era wh
Another way to move an audience:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://also.kottke.org/misc/images/peopl
e-katamari.jpg&imgrefurl=http://kottke.org/09/10/overloaded-truck&usg=__e4dK
gxf6V5iUdCFgJ4YFHjv7n0s=&h=299&w=500&sz=42&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=73O4PX
sAepxX0M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=151&ei=5L4Q
On Jul 3, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Karen Hore wrote:
> In mild defence of the inhabitants of that collection of islands with toes in
> the North and Irish Seas, the Atlantic Ocean, and that much quarrelled over
> stretch of water La Manche/The English Channel. Their venerable
> lexicographical instit
That makes sense - presumably you don't like dipthongs in the States.
Monica
- Original Message -
From: [1]Christopher Stetson
To: [2]Monica Hall
Cc: [3]Lutelist
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Gynocentricityness
Hi, Monica an
Some pieces played on the Lute Society's bandora which I have on hire
for a bit longer. It's a nice instrument; it has a smokey sound and
feels satisfying to play. I still haven't mastered tuning. I reckon
that with an instrument like this - with wire strings, peg tuners,
non-equal temperame
Mathias,
--- On Sat, 7/2/11, Mathias Roesel wrote:
>
> > Audiences expected to be pleased.
>
> I beg to differ.
>
What do you call a person who doesn't believe that people come to concerts to
enjoy themselves? A musician.
Chris
Christopher Wilke
Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
www.chri
On 4 July 2011 05:39, Christopher Wilke wrote:
> What do you call a person who doesn't believe that people come to concerts to
> enjoy themselves? A musician.
I thought it was the musicians that go to concerts not to enjoy themselves.
David
--
***
David van Ooije
Snip Also in our own tiny musical world there are fashions that come
and go... Where is the "truth"?
;-) (I guess nowhere. Let us enjoy all the different approaches.)
Snip
Wise words, Arto.
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I agree with what David says, below, it's very good. I simply have to
experiment, reverse engineering the lute from the music. Then I'll
try something else. The experiments, ongoing, are a necessary part of
the process.
However, I do think there is a point to playing the lute, or I
wouldn't do
This is really nice. You are doing a great job as a new bandora player
and I love the graphics. I think these pieces were meant to be
beginner pieces for someone exactly like you - a lute player who is
trying to get used to a bandora. There are lute versions of these
pieces (not qui
Lovely sounds and nicely performed!
Looking forward for more recordings on this interesting instrument.
Eugene
2011/7/4 Stuart Walsh <[1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
Some pieces played on the Lute Society's bandora which I have on
hire for a bit longer. It's a nice instrument; it
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