[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-01 Thread David Smith
I agree that transposing Bartok piano concertos might be a bit tough. Transposing fairly complicated choral or art song accompaniments I believe are pretty standard. The art of accompaniment is not that of a solo artist - what is important is that the harmonies, rhythms, and character of the music

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Male alto in Lute songs? [wasTransposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]]

2011-12-01 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thank you for this David, I'm afraid I'm going to mention the dreaded 'e' word again: what evidence have you that the male alto ('countertenor') voice was used historically to perform lute songs? You may care to read David Hill's recent paper in Early Music Review (no 144):

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392

2011-12-01 Thread R. Mattes
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:26:57 -0800, Nancy Carlin wrote One of the things that is really intersting about John Wilson is that he wrote a series of fantasties in all (many?) keys. In all keys, IIRC. And also some warmup exercises as well. These re for English theorbo with the first string

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392

2011-12-01 Thread Rob MacKillop
Check out 'From the fair lavinian shore' from Balcarres - attributed elsewhere to John Wilson. Number 51: http://scottishlute.com/balcarres/ Rob On 1 December 2011 10:55, R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:26:57 -0800, Nancy Carlin wrote One of the things that is

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
reading off lute tabulature is common practice of historical harpists. WITHOUT transposion, naturally. RT - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:03 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re:

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-01 Thread David van Ooijen
On 1 December 2011 13:58, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: reading off lute tabulature is common practice of historical harpists. WITHOUT transposion, naturally. Unless someone moved the harp an inch or two ... David -- *** David van Ooijen

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? [wasTransposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]]

2011-12-01 Thread William Samson
I'm afraid I'm going to mention the dreaded 'e' word again: what evidence have you that the male alto ('countertenor') voice was used historically to perform lute songs? Aw come on Martyn! You'll be telling us next that lute players didn't wear jester outfits or sing 'Hey

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-01 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Howard, We've already discussed this: the range of these songs is well within that of the generality of sopranos and tenors (see David Hill's recent paper which also discusses this matter) so there is really no need to transpose except, of course, for unexpected (at the time)

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-01 Thread howard posner
On Dec 1, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: We've already discussed this: the range of these songs is well within that of the generality of sopranos and tenors (see David Hill's recent paper which also discusses this matter) so there is really no need to transpose except, of

[LUTE] injury prevention

2011-12-01 Thread David van Ooijen
Tendinitis in arms and hands comes up once in a while on this list. The woman from our local Thai take away suffers from a similar form as I do: inflamed tendons at the wrist. In her case it comes from doing too much fancy vegetable carving. She found relief (notice the spelling!) in a 'power

[LUTE] Re: Weird early chitarrone experiment?

2011-12-01 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
Very interesting paper. Thank you Diego (a pity that we can't print it...). I still have the question about the stringlengths of the Piccinini's chitarrone: is his music really suitable for a roman chitarrone (ca 85cm and more), and did you find any evidence of a tiorba in those

[LUTE] Re: injury prevention

2011-12-01 Thread Anthony Hind
David I sympathise as suffering myself from capsulitis (computer induced?); and the effect is far worse using my 70cm lute, in particular when the piece demands that LH stay on the lower frets. I try to adop a position which minimizes the extension of the left arm, but I

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-01 Thread David van Ooijen
On 1 December 2011 11:08, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Further to this, all the sopranos and tenors I have worked with have found the early lute song repertoire well within their comfortable range: why would you wish to transpose the lute part at all? I see. I work a lot

[LUTE] Re: injury prevention

2011-12-01 Thread David van Ooijen
Dear Anthony This is what I just wrote off-list to another sufferer: I think they all work the same. Some have light, some have sound some even a counter, but neither light or sound affect the principle at work: a gyroscope giving the ball momentum. This makes the ball feel heavy in your hand,

[LUTE] Re: injury prevention

2011-12-01 Thread William Samson
Hi Anthony, Interesting that you should mention the NSD Powerball. For UK readers info, I was shopping in Sainsbury's yesterday and they had Powerball copies at -L-5 among their 'scientific toys'. If I remember right, there was a three-for-the-price-of-two or similar offer so they

[LUTE] String spacing

2011-12-01 Thread William Samson
Hi, I'm wondering if anybody has done a survey of string spacing on extant lutes? The few examples I have seen show considerable variation - for example the 7-c Venere with 59 cm string length shows exceptionally close spacing (if memory serves it's arond 35mm across the first six

[LUTE] Re: String spacing

2011-12-01 Thread wikla
Don't know about lute songs, but early among early continuo song singers there definitely were falsetto folks. Bellerofonte Castaldi wrote in his preface in 1623: And because [the pieces] handle either the love or the anger the lover feels to the loved one, [the music] is

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? [wasTransposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]]

2011-12-01 Thread wikla
(Sorry, first wrong subject and wrong group!) Don't know about lute songs, but early among early continuo song singers there definitely were falsetto folks. Bellerofonte Castaldi wrote in his preface in 1623: And because [the pieces] handle either the love or the anger the lover

[LUTE] Re: String spacing

2011-12-01 Thread wikla
Sorry! I answered to wrong message and wrong group! ;-) Arto On 01/12/11 12:59, wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: Don't know about lute songs, but early among early continuo song singers there definitely were falsetto folks. Bellerofonte Castaldi wrote in his preface in 1623: And

[LUTE] Re: Jason Petty lutes

2011-12-01 Thread Mayes, Joseph
Hello I know and deal with Jason on a regular basis. He indeed lives and works in New Zealand. Joseph Mayes On 12/1/11 12:29 AM, Adam Olsen arol...@gmail.com wrote: I apologize in advance if this is not the correct forum for such a question. Can any of you who know Jason Petty

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? [wasTransposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]]

2011-12-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
That depends on the quality of your burner hardware and software. RT From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com On 1 December 2011 11:51, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I'm afraid I'm going to mention the dreaded 'e' word again: what evidence have you that the male alto

[LUTE] Re: Cantio Sarmatoruthenica XLIX -

2011-12-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
Superbe, non vieux! RT From: Stuart Walsh Cantio Sarmatoruthenica XLIX - http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/342.mp3 http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/342.pdf RT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7OmueJ7gzE Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? [wasTransposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]]

2011-12-01 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Very good Bill! Nevertheless, David Hill makes an extremely compelling case and his (often humorous) paper needs to be noted by performers. He is also well aware that the area is uncomfortable for some to consider and writes I suspect that fatwas may already be being drawn up

[LUTE] Re: injury prevention

2011-12-01 Thread theoj89294
There is a fairly 'new' approach to elbow pain from epicondylitis (tennis elbow), involving using a stiff but flexible bar. This, like several new approaches, works by 'turning off' reflexes through antagonistic muscle action and a combination of concentric and eccentric motion muscle

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]

2011-12-01 Thread howard posner
On Dec 1, 2011, at 2:08 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: why would you wish to transpose the lute part at all? I can claim no particular great expertise on the subject of transposition motivation, but could it be in any way possible (and I know this sounds crazy) that the idea of transposition comes

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Neck veneer inlay

2011-12-01 Thread Andrew Hartig
I don't know if anyone has responded privately yet, but I just noticed that David Van Edwards has a new feature on his site where one can see the current project he is working on, which just so happens to include images of him doing a neck veneer inlay:

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Neck veneer inlay

2011-12-01 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Paul, As it happens you can see stages in the process in the lute I'm building at the moment. https://picasaweb.google.com/113751643198470818818/WhatIAmBuildingAtTheMoment?authuser=0feat=embedwebsite I do work the inlay flat and then bend it. The full instructions on how to bend veneer

[LUTE] Re: injury prevention

2011-12-01 Thread Daniel Winheld
Great subject for list discussion. My wrists are fine (for now) but I have suffered from epicondylitis in my right arm for years, and bit on the left as well. Caused by very stiff, rigid classical guitar training in my youth, very tough to undue. Habits of tension built into the arm-mind

[LUTE] Re: accords nouveaux

2011-12-01 Thread Lex van Sante
Hi all, @ Andreas and Bernd Thanx for the link @ Martin I will ;-) Cheers, Lex Op 30 nov 2011, om 12:28 heeft Martin Shepherd het volgende geschreven: Hi Lex, Sorry I can't help with this, but please share any success you have with the list - I'm another one looking for these sources!

[LUTE] Re: injury prevention- Flexbar

2011-12-01 Thread Daniel Winheld
The Flexbar did not work for me- but a lot of intelligent thought and experience seems to have gone into this device. If anyone on the list would like to give it a try, I would be more than happy to give away my Flexbars- one light, one medium, one heavy- any or all of them to anyone

[LUTE] Re: accords nouveaux

2011-12-01 Thread Rob MacKillop
Temporary link for Panmure 4 http://db.tt/xZQ2qC5 Rob www.robmackillop.net On 1 Dec 2011, at 22:02, Lex van Sante lvansa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, @ Andreas and Bernd Thanx for the link @ Martin I will ;-) Cheers, Lex Op 30 nov 2011, om 12:28 heeft Martin Shepherd het volgende

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What piece is this?

2011-12-01 Thread wikla
Perhaps an aria by Antonio Caldara! Any Caldara specialists here? Arto On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:02:23 +0200, wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: Dear baroque specialists, what could this piece with no name be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8J3pnVsi1s http://vimeo.com/32984862 It