[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-28 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
If you read the previous messages, and specially, the one from Arthur Ness, you may notice that some of the arciliuto obligato parts in Dresden opera would be by Weiss's own hand. So it seems that arciliuto was eventually practiced by him, at least on stage: it looks that arciliuto

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
This doesn't address the point I made to you: that the fundamental difference between the archlute and the theorbo is in the manner of stringing - theorbos have the top one or two courses lowered from nominal; archlutes do not. If you don't think this is the case then, to repeat,

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
You write below that ' You could argue based on this quote that no one played the gallichon,'. How does the quote you give suggest that no one played the gallichon? MH __ From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-28 Thread Markus Lutz
This quote is part of a letter, and I think most letters show a very personal point of view. Also Weiss clearly states that he gives his opinion. He doesn't want to be descriptive or prescriptive at all beyond the fact that he describes his playing and opinion on the lute! BTW - this letter

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-28 Thread R. Mattes
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:59:29 + (GMT), Martyn Hodgson wrote This doesn't address the point I made to you: that the fundamental difference between the archlute and the theorbo is in the manner of stringing - theorbos have the top one or two courses lowered from nominal; archlutes do

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-28 Thread R. Mattes
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:56:46 +0100, Markus Lutz wrote This quote is part of a letter, and I think most letters show a very personal point of view. Yes, this is important to point out. Also Weiss clearly states that he gives his opinion. He doesn't want to be descriptive or prescriptive at

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Have a look at: a) the early sources (Bob Spencer's famous paper still represents a good summary http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/spencer/html/index.html ); b) tablatures identified for the two instruments and the tuning required MH

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-28 Thread Christopher Wilke
Iconographic sources depict theorbos and/or archlutes with highly variable numbers of courses and stringing setups. Unfortunately we have no way of knowing how any particular instrument was tuned. Modern gut, since its characteristics are quiet different from historical gut, does

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Chris, Indeed Chris, as I also pointed out earlier, there is much variability in appearances though the tablatures (where extant) are generally clear (regarding the tuning required). But you ask about the point of this conversation. It is in the email query sent earlier to DT,

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-28 Thread Markus Lutz
Am 28.01.2014 12:36, schrieb R. Mattes: On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:56:46 +0100, Markus Lutz wrote He criticises that theorbos often - he even says ordinarily - are played with nails and therefore have a coarse, harsh sound (also primarily his opinion!). Hmm, that's not what he writes - he

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-28 Thread R. Mattes
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:35:20 + (GMT), Martyn Hodgson wrote Have a look at: This is either a non-answer (how utterly Zen) or pretty close to an (ad hominem) insult. a) the early sources (Bob Spencer's famous paper still represents a good summary

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
I'm sorry you find Bob Spencer's paper so very poor. My point about the tablatures (rather than staff notation) is that it is with these that we find an unequivocal indication of the tuning required for a particular named instrument. I'm not aware of any tablature sources which

[LUTE] Re: archlute/theorbo in Corelli's Op. 1

2014-01-28 Thread R. Mattes
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:10:18 + (GMT), Martyn Hodgson wrote I'm sorry you find Bob Spencer's paper so very poor. No need to be sorry, esp. since I don't find Spencer's paper very poor (where did I write that?). I only tied to say that it a) shows it's age b) seems to be an overview-type of

[LUTE] Was archlute/theorbo- Historic vs. Modern gut?

2014-01-28 Thread Dan Winheld
Chris- Modern gut,since its characteristics are quiet different from historical gut, does not provide an empirically reliable metric to determine pitch or tuning based upon string length. This bit I find very interesting. Except for the vexed problem of gut bass strings, with their

[LUTE] LSA Membership Directory

2014-01-28 Thread Nancy Carlin
For those of you who are LSA members, we are doing something new with the Membership Directory this time. Instead of sending it to everyone we are sending it out only to those who request it. It is available by snail mail (post office) and also as a pdf. So if you would like a copy email

[LUTE] Re: Was archlute/theorbo- Historic vs. Modern gut?

2014-01-28 Thread R. Mattes
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:36:47 -0800, Dan Winheld wrote Chris- Modern gut,since its characteristics are quiet different from historical gut, does not provide an empirically reliable metric to determine pitch or tuning based upon string length. This bit I find very interesting. Except for the

[LUTE] luthier question

2014-01-28 Thread Nancy Carlin
The LSA is putting together a list of luthiers to go on our web site. We want to have a list of builders that the people who are new to the lute can contact, and so we hope you can recommend luthiers who should be on the list. We are not especially looking for the person who builds 1-2 lutes