[LUTE] Re: Breaking pitch

2009-02-18 Thread Daniel Winheld
Oh, this is classic, Golden Age lute list stuff here! Hah!! If I may rephrase Guy Smith's Sam Clemens quotation: When we remember that all lute players are mad, the mysteries disappear and theorboes stand explained. -- -- To get on or off this list see list information

[LUTE] Re: Breaking pitch

2009-02-18 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Mimmo and All, If I have understood you correctly, there is a sort of contradiction : as gut becomes thicker, it must be treated to make it more flexible (higher twist and possibly softening chemicals), or else it becomes inharmonic. The more flexible it is, for a given

[LUTE] Re: Breaking pitch

2009-02-18 Thread Mimmo Peruffo
Hello Anthony, My first answer is: yes, for the string formula the diameter is, teorethically, ininfluent. So the breacking index is always the same. However, in practise there are some difference due to the surface treatments ables to do a string polished etc etc. My 'more or

[LUTE] Re: Breaking pitch

2009-02-18 Thread alexander
The degree of twist is decisive, when all the rest is equal for a given gut (treatment, animal of origin, etc) for the breaking strength. I would hazard that .44 is made with the same twist by the same maker as .42. Which means if your instrument can take it, it will substitute for .42 just

[LUTE] Re: Breaking pitch

2009-02-18 Thread Anthony Hind
Thank you both, Mimmo and Alexander, for your very complete answers Anthony Le 18 févr. 09 à 13:20, alexander a écrit : The degree of twist is decisive, when all the rest is equal for a given gut (treatment, animal of origin, etc) for the breaking strength. I would hazard that .44 is made

[LUTE] Re: Breaking pitch

2009-02-18 Thread David Tayler
Hypothetical converstation between the music director/organist and the lute player: Dir: Dude, you are way flat! LP: No way! Dir: Via! LP: Don't talk Latin! Dir: Don't talk back LP: Why don't you tune those 10, pipes instead! Tune 'em up as high as they will go before they melt! Dir:

[LUTE] Re: Breaking pitch

2009-02-17 Thread David Rastall
Oh, this is classic, Golden Age lute list stuff here! Hah!! DR On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:42 PM, alexander wrote: No one seems to object, and the talk continues as if the very people that gave us all the amazing instruments we play, were totally ignorant as far as the oh, so stupid

[LUTE] Re: Breaking pitch

2009-02-17 Thread Mimmo Peruffo
Hello guys, Just an observation: the suggested average of the Breacking Index of a modern gut string is 260 Hz/m. However, the full range of modern lute strings ranging between 240- 300 Hz.mt. This is true for the range of lute 1st string gauges. I mean 38 till 46 mm (more or