[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-19 Thread ariel
Hi Anthony, I think that what happens with an experienced player (or what it should happen, anyway) is that there's an ideal of how things should sound beyond the reality of the instrument, and then we try to make it work with our lutes. The closer we get, the better we turn... then that ideal

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-17 Thread David Tayler
I think my frets are ok :) Re: Nylgut I'm speaking of paired strings. What I hear, and my measurements confirm (NB in a relatively small sample, say fiftty-sixty strings), is that the nylgut pairs drift more --but more irregularly-- in tuning than do other strings; the pair then as a combined

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-17 Thread LGS-Europe
> Perhaps you can convince the viol players (and yourself, if necessary) > to move their frets according to rule-of-18 instead of whatever > they're using now? It works with Dowland, and really reduces the work > the viol players have to do with keeping in tune on-the-fly! We do 1/6-comma meantone

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-17 Thread Ray Brohinsky
On 8/17/07, LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Our top string is _much_ thinner than a viol's. Theirs don't break so often. > unless, of course, you forget to tune the top string(s) down a minor third or so before putting it away on a moist day, and the weather turns dry. Here in New England

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-17 Thread Doctor Oakroot
> to my ear Nylgut is out of tune above > the 4th fret, but some find it acceptable. That probably has more to do with your fret placement than the string material. One probably does need some fret placement adjustment to match string material - I would thing a very small adjustment between the m

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-16 Thread LGS-Europe
ROTECTED]> To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" ; "David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 6:21 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings. > David wrote: > > "Carbon can be treated in various ways to sound less bell-like." > >

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-16 Thread Stephen Arndt
Thank you, David, for the quick response. That is very helpful information. - Original Message - From: "David Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings. > The

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-16 Thread David Tayler
There are several things one can do to tweak the sound of carbon, but it won't sound as good as gut. It sounds pretty good though and stays in tune under the spotlights. Carbon can sound a bit too bell like on some luttes. The easiest, low tech way is for example on the 2nd and 3rd courses to g

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-16 Thread Shaun Ng
Just a little comment outside the discussion. I think, as plucked instrumentalists, sometimes we forget how fortunate we are to have nylgut and other synthetics to play with. At least we have the option! Have you ever wondered how viol players cope with only gut? We have to change our top gu

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-16 Thread David Tayler
Gut is the best for ornaments; to my ear Nylgut is out of tune above the 4th fret, but some find it acceptable. Carbon can be treated in various ways to sound less bell-like. The fishing line that I have tried sounds awful, but I left the fish on. dt To get on or off this list see list infor

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-16 Thread Anthony Hind
Hello Ariel You seem to be an example that proves me wrong. It is just that I did notice how, at first, I found it difficult to make my gut basses sing. I am still far from happy with my playing abilities, but I have noticed an improvement, here. However, on the instant I moved from ove

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-16 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Bruno If you look at my previous message to you, you should see that I sent the message to yourself, and to Martin So you will find his address on that mail. If you can't access it, you can go to http://www.luteshop.co.uk/. His mail is there (but he may be away during the vacati

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-15 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Bruno Martin Shepherd was particularly suggesting the use of KF on the 5th course of a Renaissance lute. This is what Jacob Heringman sometimes uses combined with nylgut on the top courses, and gut diapasons below (http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg19947.html).

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-13 Thread Narada
rd feral moggie, I reckon the latter. Right, must have a lie down the nurse has arrived with my tablets. -Original Message- From: David Tayler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2007 21:32 To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings. It is the taste; t

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-13 Thread David Tayler
It is the taste; the earlier ones are saltier. Check out the cookbook "Tastar de code": "The taste of the strings." dt To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-13 Thread Narada
t wearers I'm JOKING boys.LOL -Original Message- From: Doctor Oakroot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2007 20:51 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings. > But he also said something like "I won't go into how we know this

[LUTE] Re: Historical gut strings.

2007-08-13 Thread Doctor Oakroot
> But he also said something like "I won't go into how we know this." > That sounds like code for "I don't know what I'm talking about." lol -- http://DoctorOakroot.com - Rough-edged songs on homemade GIT-tars. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~w