Tony
please give us the link if you upload it.
Thanks
Kerry
Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is just to let you know that I have obtained the Hurel manuscript via the
P2P link on Richard Civiol's site. It took a very long time. I have converted
it to DjVu format and it is now
Tony,
Minkoff published the facsimile. Don't know where
Richard got his copy. As long as its not the Minkoff,
I suppose it would be OK on a website.
Chris
--- Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is just to let you know that I have obtained
the Hurel manuscript via the P2P link
Dear Tony
I have the 1996 Minkoff facsimile. In its colofon it says it is printed with
the permission of the Piermont Morgan Library, New York, the owner of the
ms. It also says photocopy prohibited. If your copy has modern folio numbers
on the right hand bottom of every other page, it's a
Tony is talking about a modern computer-typeset edition of the Hurel Ms.
On Apr 12, 2008, at 12:47 PM, LGS-Europe wrote:
Dear Tony
I have the 1996 Minkoff facsimile. In its colofon it says it is
printed with the permission of the Piermont Morgan Library, New
York, the owner of the ms. It
it, then.
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Tony is talking about a modern computer-typeset edition of the Hurel Ms.
On Apr 12, 2008, at 12:47 PM, LGS-Europe wrote
Just take out those page ##. The rest is public property.
RT
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I'm afraid
Thank you Stewart,
This is a nice find. I see that the first page uses almost the same edifice
as the first page of 'Variety of Lute Lessons'.
Copy/Paste is nothing new!
Best Wishes
Ron (UK)
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From: Stewart McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25,
Dear Stewart,
the URL of the Thomas Robinson pdf was truncated and will not get the right
page. Try:
http://amphionconsort.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/theschoolofmus
icke.pdf
Charles
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From: Stewart McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 March 2008 18:56
haven't found the Hurel music, which started this
thread.
Best wishes,
Stewart.
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From: Charles Browne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 March 2008 15:22
To: Stewart McCoy; Lute Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Hurel download
Dear Stewart,
the URL of the Thomas
the
trick.
By the way, I still haven't found the Hurel music, which started this
thread.
Best wishes,
Stewart.
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From: Charles Browne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 March 2008 15:22
To: Stewart McCoy; Lute Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Hurel download
Dear Stewart,
the URL
Just in case somebody doesn't already know about this:
http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/bookshelf/index.html?sort=byauthor
You'll find Hume, Barley, Variety of Lute Lessons, a very nice description
of a mask by Campian (including some songs), Robinson and other interesting
period readings.
All
I completely agree... it is delightful! I second the recommendation.
Mike P
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From: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've just been listening to Hurel's theorbo works recorded by Christopher
Wilke - a very enjoyable programme. I remember stumbling
I recall seeing something by Hurel with Claire Antonini, LONG time ago.
RT
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Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:18 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Hurel and Pittoni recordings?
Hello,
The conversations of a while back have
Dear Mathias Roesel,
Yes, the difference between these short horizontal dashes and the longer
angled holding lines is as I described earlier.
Indeed, 'etoufement' is the cutting short of a note: the way VR employs this
is as an ornament of articulation/emphasis. he was simply one of
?
Wm. Wright
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From: Mathias Rvsel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:03 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Hurel Symbol? and 'Nationalbibliothek in Wien' MS 17.706
Further to my previous email and also Alain
Veylit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:32:59 -0800
To: Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
From: Alain Veylit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Hurel Symbol? and 'Nationalbibliothek in Wien' MS
17.706
Many thanks to Chris for sharing the gigue
Dear Chris Wilke,
I don't know if a modern facsimile edition has been published: I obtained a
microfilm about from the Nationalbibliothek Wien some 20 years ago. The MS is
mostly in a single scribal hand for 11 course Dm lute and most probably dates
from around 1700 with a suite by
Alain,
I take the u to be an appoggiatura from below.
Elsewhere, Hurel uses the star for vibrato and the
comma for an appoggiatura from above.
Chris
--- Alain Veylit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Many thanks to Chris for sharing the gigue bmp -
One problem with the tenuto theory is in the
I take the u to be an appoggiatura from below.
Elsewhere, Hurel uses the star for vibrato and the
comma for an appoggiatura from above.
you can see it in Saizenay, too. Star stands for vibrato. In some
pieces, appogiature from below are marked by half moon on the left, in
some pieces
simultaneously, and,
if so, why are the vertical lines used only occasionally?
Wm. Wright
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From: Mathias Rvsel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:03 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Hurel Symbol? and 'Nationalbibliothek in Wien' MS
Further to my previous email and also Alain Veylit's below, it's unlikely
that these short horizontal dashes placed under individual notes are
tenuto (holding) signs.
to put things straight, those longer inclined lines (lower left to upper
right) signifying bass notes to be held on, which
Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:50:59
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From: Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Hurel Symbol? and 'Nationalbibliothek in Wien' MS 17.706
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Chris Wilke,
The Gigue on f. 4v is particularly well
The Gigue on f. 4v is particularly well marked up with these dashes.
Clearly it's not indicating a tenuto since these are marked differently in
the MS
would you mind to elaborate on differently? BTW, what I meant to say is,
in _Goess_ I take the sign as tenuto (which to me means emphasis).
Dear Mathias Roesel,
Compared to the dashes/lines Chris Wilke highlighted, the tenuto lines in the
Hurel MS are much longer, generally not parallel to the staff lines and run
under a number of tablature letters; indeed as commonly found in many other MS.
The short dashes referred to here
Just because I am curious, why does not somebody who has the tab scan
und upload the passage so that others can participate? I can offer my
modest webspace, if that is the problem.
Best wishes
g
On 14.12.2005, at 22:24, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
Dear Mathias Roesel,
Compared to the
Mathias,
So far, it seems that tenuto explanation of the
dash makes the most sense. I'm not entirely
convinced, however. It appears quite often on the
first note of a measure where one would most likely
give it extra musical emphasis anyway. And it is used
in places where there is likely
Dear Martyn,
okay, now I see what you were talking about. In Gaultier's and Mouton's
prefaces, respectively, those inclined lines, indicating bass notes to
be held on, are tenue (i. e. to be held on). That's right and has
become a geneally held view, indeed.
Wasn't aware that these lines are
So far, it seems that tenuto explanation of the
dash makes the most sense. I'm not entirely
convinced, however. It appears quite often on the
first note of a measure where one would most likely
give it extra musical emphasis anyway. And it is used
in places where there is likely to
Many thanks to Chris for sharing the gigue bmp -
One problem with the tenuto theory is in the third bar of the third
staff in the gigue, under the 'i' which is immediately followed by an
'f' on the same string...
I tend to think these could be articulation / phrasing marks, perhaps...
There is
And no, I don't believe
it is a defect - the mark is clearly indicated and
plainly and evenly laid out under a fair number of
ciphers.
and it occurs in Goess theorbo, too. It can be taken as tenuto, i. e.
emphasis.
Regards,
Mathias
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Hi Chris,
Is it possible for you to scan a page of the book - this might help us
help you... You have probably made sure it is not a print defect or see
through problem, not uncommon in printed works of the period.
Alain
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Luters,
I've been playing through some
Alain,
Yes, I can scan a page. And no, I don't believe
it is a defect - the mark is clearly indicated and
plainly and evenly laid out under a fair number of
ciphers.
Chris
--- Alain Veylit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Chris,
Is it possible for you to scan a page of the book -
this
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It is a small dash, parallel to the tab lines (-)
which is drawn under quite a few of the letters.
..
I've also ruled it out as an articulation
marking since it is used in places in which either
long or short would make no musical sense.
the sign also occurs
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