[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-06 Thread Christopher Wilke
, not the words. Chris Christopher Wilke Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument? To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-06 Thread Martyn Hodgson
: From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument? To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Thursday, 6 January, 2011, 13:53 Martyn

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-06 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:34 AM To: 'Lute Dmth'; Eugene C. Braig IV Subject: [LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument? Thanks Eugene. I don't think it impossible that the mandora was the instrument for which Vivaldi conceived

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-06 Thread David van Ooijen
On 6 January 2011 14:53, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote:  Vivaldi used a Gibson ET440 archtop model lute with Ernie Ball strings. You mean the thing my friend Michiel had made for him, although I'm not sure about the strings you mention: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHJ7OF1NDS8

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-06 Thread Sauvage Valéry
On 6 January 2011 14:53, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote:  Vivaldi used a Gibson ET440 archtop model lute with Ernie Ball strings. You mean the thing my friend Michiel had made for him, although I'm not sure about the strings you mention: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHJ7OF1NDS8

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Subject: [LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument? To: Lute Dmth lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Tuesday, 4 January, 2011, 20:56 See below. - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Lute Dmth [2]l

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
and of various flutes and of the nomenclature 'violone' which by did not generally mean a double bass instrument. MH --- On Wed, 5/1/11, David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread David Tayler
wrote: From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument? To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 5 January, 2011, 0:08 You can always try to assign a particular type of instrument

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
: From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument? To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 5 January, 2011, 10:10 Just to be clear, I didn't say Vivaldi generally did not take into account individual

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
Greetings Martyn et alia, Reply interspersed below. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 AM To: Lute Dmth Subject: [LUTE] RV93 - which instrument? The relatively

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread A. J. Ness
- Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson To: Lute Dmth ; A. J. Ness Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 3:49 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument? Yes. Bob was always very kind and also let me have a copy of this anonymous sinfonia and the two concertinos for leuto 2

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread tiorba
- Original Message - From: Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu To: 'Lute Dmth' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:10 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument? Instrumentation follows the recently popular status quo: RV 82, 85, and 93 on archlute by Diego

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
PM To: 'Lute Dmth' Subject: [LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument? - Original Message - From: Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu To: 'Lute Dmth' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:10 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument? Instrumentation

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread A. J. Ness
Dear David, - Original Message - From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument? You wrote: You can always try to assign a particular type of instrument

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread David Tayler
Looking at the hisory of music performance in the forty years we can see that everything is always changing. So the violone, the lute, the flute, and so on, of today will be something else tomorrow. Which is fine. But it also means that the reality is that our concepts are changing, not that

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread David Tayler
Did Mozart ever forget anything? (Listen to Eric Hoeprich's recent CD: Glossa 921107) Yes. Mozart forgot things. But Vivaldi is not Mozart, and Mozart's orchestra was more standardized than Vivaldi's, as they are from different times. There chanced to be some of the musicians there at

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread David van Ooijen
On 5 January 2011 21:43, David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: There is a trend in scholarship to redefine things. Sometimes this gives us . Getting back to the lute world, as soon as the important article came out about the archlute, theorbo and chitarrone, (and it was, and is, a great

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread David Tayler
Sorry, but I don't understand this. My point is that Vivaldi seems to have written unplayable music for the violin (and cello and viola). Some of it goes off the range, some of it is unplayable. Are you saying that in every case that Vivaldi wrote notes for both the violin and the viola that

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
of mandora development as well as reasons of tessitura. rgds and bst wshs fr 2011 Martyn --- On Wed, 5/1/11, Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu wrote: From: Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument? To: 'Lute Dmth' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
--- On Wed, 5/1/11, David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument? To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 5 January, 2011, 20:43 Looking at the hisory of music performance

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-04 Thread A. J. Ness
See below. - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Lute Dmth lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 AM Subject: [LUTE] RV93 - which instrument? SNIP It is much more likely that the instrument required is the 18th century

[LUTE] Re: RV93 - which instrument?

2011-01-04 Thread David Tayler
You can always try to assign a particular type of instrument in an ideal tuning, but the term lute, in any language form, is a generic term for a family-context of instruments. Unfortunately with Vivaldi, the fact that it may be difficult to play or go off the range is absolutely not relevant,