[LUTE] Re: Source for Le Berceau Canarie

2016-12-31 Thread AJN
David, To put it another way, ... As I tried to explain, the Pruni�res manuscript was NEVER in Prague. In the method for baroque lute that you own the author misread "Pa Pruni�res" without looking up the correct reading of the abbreviation in the critical apparatus in the front of the _*Oe

[LUTE] Re: Source for Le Berceau Canarie

2016-12-20 Thread David Smith
Thank you for the clarification and the details. That makes a lot more sense to me now. Warmest regards David Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2016, at 4:03 PM, AJN wrote: > > This is an interesting case, perhaps deserving of an extended comment. > > > In many collected editions, and other

[LUTE] Re: Source for Le Berceau Canarie

2016-12-20 Thread AJN
The tablature was brought to the library, but had not yet been cataloged. Mde. Thibault had willed her entire collection to the Biblioth�que nationale. Also there was a law suit initiated by the Thibault heirs who wanted the scores. A compromise was brokered, as I recall. She had many, many rar

[LUTE] Re: Source for Le Berceau Canarie

2016-12-19 Thread AJN
This is an interesting case, perhaps deserving of an extended comment. In many collected editions, and other scholarly publications, there may be a list of original sources from which the editor drew pieces included in the edition or study, often cited with an abbreviation. . It is importan

[LUTE] Re: Source for Le Berceau Canarie

2016-12-19 Thread Matthew Daillie
On 19/12/2016 19:47, David Smith wrote: Where is it documented that CZ-Pa Ms. Prunières became F-Pn Rés. Vmc ms. 61? I have tried to trace this but am not finding it. The CNRS edition does not give the Vmc ms. 61 reference but for the Prunières source states the following: Paris, B.N., aut.

[LUTE] Re: Source for Le Berceau Canarie

2016-12-19 Thread David Smith
Thank you Matthew. Luckily I have the Barbe manuscript and that works well for what I want. I do see how It was found on SMT and in mss.slweiss.de. I guess I have a couple of questions. Where is it documented that CZ-Pa Ms. Prunières became F-Pn Rés. Vmc ms. 61? I have tried to trace this but a

[LUTE] Re: Source for Le Berceau Canarie

2016-12-19 Thread David Smith
Thank you Andi, Do you know of a way to get a copy of Vmc ms. 61? Regards David From: Andreas Schlegel [mailto:lute.cor...@sunrise.ch] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:04 AM To: Bernd Haegemann Cc: David Smith ; lute list Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Source for Le

[LUTE] Re: Source for Le Berceau Canarie

2016-12-19 Thread David Smith
It is. Thank you. I searched that database and could not find it by author or as a canarie. I see you used just part of the name (Berceau). Nice work. Regards David Sent from my iPad On Dec 19, 2016, at 2:06 AM, "[1]b...@symbol4.de" <[2]b...@symbol4.de> wrote: is it t

[LUTE] Re: Source for Le Berceau Canarie

2016-12-19 Thread Andreas Schlegel
Or this: Le Berceau, F-Pn Rés. Vmc ms. 61, 119 http://w1.bnu.fr/smt/canarie.htm#berceau 119 is the piece number. You have to go to the SMT catalogue to find the page/folio. Here it's on f. 47r, second piece. Andi Am 19.12.2016 um 11:05 schrieb b...@symbol4.de: > is it this: > http://mss.s

[LUTE] Re: Source for Le Berceau Canarie

2016-12-19 Thread Matthew Daillie
On 19/12/2016 02:04, David Smith wrote: I am working on a piece in Miguel Serdoura’s Method for Baroque Lute and am trying to find the manuscript it is from. In his edition, he references CZ-Pa Ms. Prunières and that it is by Dubut (le père). I have done some looking fo

[LUTE] Re: Source for Le Berceau Canarie

2016-12-19 Thread b...@symbol4.de
is it this: http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?langÞu&id=1&exFilter=1&type=mss&st=0&te st=1&instr=&msnam=&abcinc=&title¾rceau&comp=&key=&st=0 ? Gesendet: Montag, 19. Dezember 2016 um 02:04 Uhr Von: "David Smith" An: "Lute List" Betreff: [LUTE] Source for Le Berceau Canari