[LUTE] Re: Tying on frets

2008-04-30 Thread Christopher Stetson
Thanks again for your help, Joseph. What you describe seems basically what I do with gut. However, the way I learned (from Joel van Lennep??? way back when) involved burning one end of the gut slightly over a candle flame to make an enlarged bulb to hold the end of the slip knot, pulling it

[LUTE] Re: Tying on frets

2008-04-29 Thread Joseph Mayes
Hello Christopher What I use with nylon is a knot I learned from Dan Larson at an LSA fest. It's basically a slipknot with the fret pulled tight through the loop. I find it works great with nylon that has been roughened with sandpaper. I have too many instruments to string with gut ($)

[LUTE] Re: Tying on frets

2008-04-28 Thread Gernot Hilger
Dear nameless asker, gut is more flexible than nylon. You will therefore more likely expect some gap with nylon frets than with gut which most people use. Nylon works, but it is more difficult to prevent the knot from slipping. You don't want a really sharp edge on the fingerboard, but you

[LUTE] Re: Tying on frets

2008-04-28 Thread jslute
Dear All: One of my lutes had a flat fingerboard with edging that came to a rather sharp point, and I had trouble getting frets to lie flat, especially those made with larger-diameter gut. They did indeed exhibit some daylight at the edges. I had a luthier bevel the edges slightly, and now the

[LUTE] Re: Tying on frets

2008-04-28 Thread Joseph Mayes
Hello I must differ on some points: In my experience, nylon frets are more difficult to tie and tend not to lie flat if not tied tight enough - but (and this is huge!IMHP) they never ever ever loosen. I just rebought for use as a loaner a lute that I had sold over ten years ago the nylon

[LUTE] Re: Tying on frets

2008-04-28 Thread robustus
Hi Everyone, I gotta say I am really impressed with this group. I just signed up posted a message and in no time I have a wealth of information and different things to consider. Thank you all so much! -plh At Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:36:36 -0700 (DST), you wrote Hello I must differ on some

[LUTE] Re: Tying on frets

2008-04-28 Thread Christopher Stetson
Interesting, Joseph! My lute is well overdue for refretting (sp?), and I've always used gut. Do you have any pointers for tying nylon tightly? I tied the traditional double frets when I started 30 years ago, then went over to single strand with a flame-singed ball on the end to hold the

[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

2006-06-12 Thread Stuart Walsh
Thanks for all the advice. It's VERY hot here at the moment and we English are not used to it and not set up for it. I'll wait for the weather to cool a bit before trying again. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

2006-06-11 Thread van Geest Gitaar Luitbouw
There are a few types of knots. You can find examples of how to tie them on: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/fretknot.htm The top one is the easiest and very quick to do. This also gives to smallest knot. The other ones you can sort out for yourself on the provided page. Hopes this helps. Ernstjan

[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

2006-06-11 Thread Stuart Walsh
van Geest Gitaar Luitbouw wrote: There are a few types of knots. You can find examples of how to tie them on: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/fretknot.htm The top one is the easiest and very quick to do. That's just the one that is giving me grief! I actually feel my head starting to hurt

[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

2006-06-11 Thread van Geest Gitaar Luitbouw
] Verzonden: zondag 11 juni 2006 16:45 Aan: van Geest Gitaar Luitbouw; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: tying gut frets van Geest Gitaar Luitbouw wrote: There are a few types of knots. You can find examples of how to tie them on: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/fretknot.htm The top one

[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

2006-06-11 Thread demery
Van: Stuart Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone got any suggestions for a really easy way of tying knots? start with soft cotton line. The knot you mentioned (van edwards first) is a simple overhand knot in one end, the other end is passed thru it, all is cinched tight and the end swelled

[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

2006-06-11 Thread Sean Smith
then use the taper of the neck as a wedge by slideing the fret towards the bridge to compress it just a little tighter. Repeat. Gradually the knot will get tighter, hopefully you will get it tight enough that it takes a degree of force to bring it to its proper position, where it just

[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

2006-06-11 Thread guy_and_liz Smith
, and the softened section won't fall under any strings. Guy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edumailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: tying gut frets Van: Stuart Walsh

[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

2006-06-11 Thread LGS-Europe
enough that it takes a degree of force to bring it to its proper position, where it just might stay. Here is where you swell the end and trim it. Good instructions and pretty much as I do but this is a question on the order of events. I've generally cut and swelled the end (w/ a hot