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>tuner things are an abomination. Well made normal pegs are just
>fine. These geared things seem to be an attempt to compensate for poor pegs.
>
>Sterling
>
>- Original Message
>From: Eugene C. Braig IV
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>> - Original Message
>> From: Eugene C. Braig IV
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>> Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 3:28:48 PM
>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: geared pegs and Dan Larson's lute
>>
>> I remember when these came out, and have read all the com
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>I remember when these came out, and have read all the comments to follow on
>this thread. I'm not entirely certain of the practical usefulness of this
>
I as well like my simple lute pegs as well. These new gears are very
interesting, however!
At 09:16 AM 6/22/2010, wolfgang wiehe wrote:
>I like my simple lute pegs, I like the simple non-mechanized "1 to 1
>tuning-design" of old instruments. perhaps modern
>guitar-tuning-mechanics are a re
I like my simple lute pegs, I like the simple non-mechanized "1 to 1
tuning-design" of old instruments. perhaps modern guitar-tuning-mechanics are a
result of 19th century perfection...
w.
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> Datum: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:17:23 -0400
> Von: Edward Mast
> An:
I'm sorry, Ed - I didn't make myself clear. I was answering a post in which
(if I understood the writer correctly) it was said that the type of geared
tuners found on guitars (NOT the geared pegs we've been discussing) could more
inexpensively be used on lutes. These are what I think take more
I do not understand what you mean, as they require no more space
that traditional pegs. The "lute" gears are not pictured, as they
are thinner than the violin "pegs" one sees.
At 08:17 AM 6/22/2010, Edward Mast wrote:
>It seems to me that another reason - beyond the weight of
>guitar-type m
It seems to me that another reason - beyond the weight of guitar-type machine
tuners - for not using them on lutes would be the space they require. I think
they would require that the tuners be more widely spaced and the peg box
consequently much longer. Though more expensive, the geared pegs
I do not know the exact weight, but the 8-course lute has 15 pegs, or
should I say, gears. The lute's neck felt as though it was light,
with absolutely no noticeable added weight.
At 12:33 AM 6/22/2010, howard posner wrote:
>Weight is a major issue, especially when you're putting 24 of
>somet
Weight is a major issue, especially when you're putting 24 of something on one
end of your instrument. So the increased weight of a standard machine tuning
head is usually cited as the reason for not using them on lutes, which are much
lighter than 19th-century guitars. I have never personally
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: geared pegs and Dan Larson's lute
I remember when these came out, and have read all the comments to follow on
this thread. I'm not entirely certain of the practical usefulness of this
product unless one would want to replace
I remember when these came out, and have read all the comments to follow on
this thread. I'm not entirely certain of the practical usefulness of this
product unless one would want to replace pegs on an existing instrument with
minimal modification to the instrument.
I seem to recall geared tuners
These do sound like a positive, worthwhile innovation. I'd have to think about
the risks involved with shipping my lute to a maker to have them installed,
though.
Ned
On Jun 20, 2010, at 3:33 PM, David Tayler wrote:
> At BFX 2010, I had the opportunity to play Dan Larson's Frey lute.
> Well, fi
For sure (I think) one of the big advantages to gut is the lack of binding at
the nut. Once you get to the wound synthetic lower strings, binding seems
inevitable. At least on every instrument I've owned.
Ned
On Jun 21, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Edward Martin wrote:
> Actually, this instrument is i
which issue of
Lute News featured the article.
Ron Andrico
www.mignarda.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 08:08:49 -0500
> To: nedma...@aol.com; e...@gamutstrings.com
> CC: vidan...@sbcglobal.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> From: e...@gamutstrings.com
> Subject: [LUTE] Re
Yes, they are permanently installed.
ed
At 07:52 AM 6/21/2010, Edward Mast wrote:
>I seem to remember that the geared pegs for violins, cellos etc. are
>glued in place to prevent slipping of the peg itself (of course the
>gears don't slip). Is this necessary with the lute pegs? If not,
>wh
I seem to remember that the geared pegs for violins, cellos etc. are glued in
place to prevent slipping of the peg itself (of course the gears don't slip).
Is this necessary with the lute pegs? If not, what keeps the pegs themselves
(not the gears) from slipping in dry weather?
Ned
On Jun 20
Actually, this instrument is in all gut, including the treble, and
the strings do not stick on the nut. I think he takes care in the
polishing of it.
At 11:09 PM 6/20/2010, Christopher Stetson wrote:
>Hmmm... nice and oily, and the strings would cut their own grooves...
>
>C.
>>>>
Hmmm... nice and oily, and the strings would cut their own grooves...
C.
>>> David Tayler 6/20/2010 9:55 PM >>>
It did not stick on the nut--I think he used a real nut, like a Brazil
nut.
d
At 06:23 PM 6/20/2010, you wrote:
>It can be on many lutes, but not on this particu
It did not stick on the nut--I think he used a real nut, like a Brazil nut.
d
At 06:23 PM 6/20/2010, you wrote:
>It can be on many lutes, but not on this particular nut.
>
>ed
>
>At 08:16 PM 6/20/2010, Miles Dempster wrote:
>
> >But isn't there still the problem of the strings sticking on the nut?
It can be on many lutes, but not on this particular nut.
ed
At 08:16 PM 6/20/2010, Miles Dempster wrote:
>But isn't there still the problem of the strings sticking on the nut?
>
>Miles
>
>On 2010-06-20, at 9:07 PM, Edward Martin wrote:
>
> > I saw this lute in Dan Larson's shop yesterday. It is
But isn't there still the problem of the strings sticking on the nut?
Miles
On 2010-06-20, at 9:07 PM, Edward Martin wrote:
> I saw this lute in Dan Larson's shop yesterday. It is a very, very
> nice Frei, and yes, the pegs, or kegs, or whatever you want to call
> them, are very nice, very i
I saw this lute in Dan Larson's shop yesterday. It is a very, very
nice Frei, and yes, the pegs, or kegs, or whatever you want to call
them, are very nice, very interesting. They are, as DT says, smooth
as butter, and they will never slip, as pegs do. They are plain, but
very attractive..
I
The ones Dan had were small and light.
He was saying 25-35 per peg, I think, in what used to be the dollar.
The taper would have to be similar, to fit the holes, but since the
"peg", or let's call it a "keg" , what the hay, doesn't rotate in the
pegbox holes it does not have to be exact.
dt
At 0
That archlute has one of those Korg mics clipped on it, which you
need for tuning at an exhibition, unless you have prehensile ears.
It is the twin of mine, although it sounds a bit better than mine
and is happy with Sarge.
At 01:12 PM 6/20/2010, you wrote:
>Thanks for the pictures, David!
>
>
I don't have geared pegs on my cello, but know a cellist - and a violinist -
who does. They like them a lot. My questions would be:
1) How much would each peg for a lute cost?
2) Would they need to be fitted by a luthier, or could the player do it
him/herself?
3) Assuming a peg with gears wei
Thanks for the pictures, David!
Do I see a clip-on tuner on the extension in the "bfx11" photo?
-- R
On Jun 20, 2010, at 2:33 PM, David Tayler wrote:
At BFX 2010, I had the opportunity to play Dan Larson's Frey lute.
Well, first off, this was a really nice lute, and all gut strung with
some
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