Dear Ed, dear all,
he's not holding it but wearing it hanging from a belt. Visible is the swor=
d handle, the crossbar (the basic, straight part of the hand guard) and par=
ts of additional guarding typically of the late sixteenth/early seventeenth=
sword. I do not have the terminology in English
Ed
My message was "sabred". I will try again.
Ed
Perhaps, if this is so, van Dyck is giving an interpretation of
"English" Gaultier, not just as a Chitaronne player see also
http://tinyurl.com/2xa5by
There is some claim that this lute player could be Jacques Gaultier,
who it is also cl
Ed
To be fair to Jacques Gaultier, the cheek-biting episode (mentioned
below) would have occurred around the same time, the following
anecdote is told of the musicians and composers John Wilson, Harry
and Will Lawes,
in the manuscript of Jests and Stories by Sir Nicholas L'Estrange,
"Anthony Hind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Ed
> My message was "sabred". I will try again.
>
> Ed
> Perhaps, if this is so, van Dyck is giving an interpretation of
> "English" Gaultier, not just as a Chitaronne player see also
> http://tinyurl.com/2xa5by
> There is some claim that this
Mathias
I have no argument in favour of the van Dyck being a portrait of
Jacques. It has also been argued that the portrait by Reyn is of
Jacques :
http://tinyurl.com/24rdsj
See, at http://tinyurl.com/27fvgm
I don't know what the general view of this is either.
> If this is a true pict
Hi Ed,
IMHO I would say that it is a sword. I have a cup-hilt rapier with
identical quillions (the cross piece). The curved metal bar is the
knuckle-bow (to protect the knuckles). The handle and pommel seem quite
short in comparison to mine. The actual 'cup' is obscured in this painting.
The
Mathias
I see why David Van Edwards has inversed the portrait, this question
of the bass strings on the wrong side.
The text is definitely from left to right on the RA engraving, but
this could be a problem due to the engraving process.
You have to inverse the portrait in the original (negati
Further,
Yes, I am fairly certain now it is a cup-hilt rapier he is wearing. A type
of 'gentleman's sword.
Part of the cup rim can be seen against his wrist.
The black curved line down the back of his wrist is only shadow from the
upper half of the knuckle-bow.
In the main picture, the top
string instruments, and had to limit themselves to keyboards.
RT
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Mathias
I see why David Van Edwards
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Mathias
I see why David Van Edwards has inversed the portrait, this question
of the bass strings on the wrong si
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: metal contraption/RH on the bridge?
Le 1 janv. 08 à 17:45, Roman Turovsky a écrit :
To put an end to this daftness: the JG portrait is A PRINT OF AN ENGRAVED
was a 'leftie'
Best Wishes
Ron (UK)
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Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:45 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Anthony Hind
Subject: [LUTE] Re: metal contraption/RH on the bridge?
To put an end to this daftness: the JG port
s.dartmouth.edu"
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I would still suggest that this is not a mirror-image. Not only because of
the normal stringing of the chitaronne, but note that his hair is parted on
the left. Most European men&#x
ht-side parting.
>
> There is no evidence to suggest he was a 'leftie'
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Ron (UK)
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:45 PM
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Anthony
CTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:54 AM
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: metal contraption/RH on the bridge?
>
>
> Mathias
> I see why David Van Edwards has inversed the portrait, this question
> of the bass strings on the wrong side.
> The text is definitely fr
From: "Anthony Hind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ron we are talking at cross purposes. There is a painting by van Dyck
of a chitaronne player who could possibly be Jacques Gaultier (but
that is disputed), and an engraving by Jan Lievens of a two-headed
lute player; and this certainly is an official portr
not taught string instruments, and had to limit themselves to keyboards.
RT
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Mathias
I see why David Va
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: metal contraption/RH on the bridge?
To put it simply, the JG engraver had little motivation to portray the
pegbox with any realism, therefore neither he had any inclination to make
sure whether the lute was a mirr
On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Anthony Hind wrote:
> and an engraving by Jan Lievens of a two-headed
> lute player; and this certainly is an official portrait of Jacques
> Gaultier.
More likely Zaphod Beeblebrox.
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ides, as I recall, during the Baroque and earlier eras lefties were
> > not taught string instruments, and had to limit themselves to keyboards.
> > RT
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Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:47 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: metal contraption/RH on the bridge?
"Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
To put it simply, the JG engraver had little motivation to portray the
pegbox with any realism, therefore neither he had any inclination t
> > and an engraving by Jan Lievens of a two-headed
>> lute player; and this certainly is an official portrait of Jacques
>> Gaultier.
>
>More likely Zaphod Beeblebrox.
TOUCHE
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Hi Roman, Ed and other interested parties,
In discussing the possibility of reversal of the painting of the lutenist on
http://www.aquilacorde.com/lutes.htm
I recently suggested the painting is NOT a mirror image on the basis of the
subject's hair style.
Roman replied...
"Is hair parting genetic
Hi Roman, Ed and other interested parties,
In discussing the possibility of reversal of the painting of the lutenist
on
http://www.aquilacorde.com/lutes.htm
I recently suggested the painting is NOT a mirror image on the basis of
the
subject's hair style.
Roman replied...
"Is hair parting ge
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