[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-10-31 Thread Sean Smith
I think they're doable on lute plucked as usual although a ren guitar or a cittern would be more suitable for strumming, IMHO. Sean On Oct 31, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: > How would a strummer strum chords to these tunes composed (arranged?) by > Gervaise in the 1550s? > > http:/

[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-10-31 Thread benny
If a lute's all you've got, strum away with impunity! Quoting Sean Smith : I think they're doable on lute plucked as usual although a ren guitar or a cittern would be more suitable for strumming, IMHO. Sean On Oct 31, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: How would a strummer strum chords

[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-11-01 Thread Stuart Walsh
: I think they're doable on lute plucked as usual although a ren guitar or a cittern would be more suitable for strumming, IMHO. Sean Thanks Sean and Benny. I actually meant ren guitar or cittern (I don't have either!). I was wondering exactly which chords would be strummed - for exampl

[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-11-01 Thread Monica Hall
Thanks Sean and Benny. I actually meant ren guitar or cittern (I don't have either!). I was wondering exactly which chords would be strummed - for example in the two tunes http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Gervaise/ If you put a chord to each note on the bass line (easy to do) you sometimes would

[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-11-01 Thread benny
I think you could play a chord on every bass note without too much trouble. Two other techniques I've seen/heard/played are: Strumming the rhythm of the top line; subdividing into eighth-note strum patterns at the end of section, especially leading into a repeat. This provides a nice rhythmi

[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-11-01 Thread Sean Smith
It's nice on the R guitar when the 4-part harmonies work but that is pretty rare. These bransles work best if the rhythm is accented rather than the harmonies so I'd find a strum that works about twice a measure and make sure a melody on the top works. For variation I'd rob from the alto

[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-11-01 Thread Ron Andrico
Nov 2011 09:22:31 + > To: lutesm...@mac.com > CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: s.wa...@ntlworld.com > Subject: [LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise > > But that would be what a modern folk player might do, and I wonder what a chordal instrument player might have d

[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-11-01 Thread Tobiah
Real musicians don't need bass lines and figures, and compose their own bass lines with very nice accompaniments on the spot. I would replace the word 'Real' with the word 'Some'. Otherwise we will have to start talking about what 'Real' music is, which is usually like debating politics

[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-11-01 Thread Stuart Walsh
On 01/11/2011 13:44, be...@interlog.com wrote: I think you could play a chord on every bass note without too much trouble. Maybe I'm thinking of these tunes as being quicker than they are usually played. I haven't a clue about them as actual dances so I don't know what would be a realistic sp

[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-11-01 Thread Stuart Walsh
e', anyway? In one of Peter Seeger's books he says not to use a maj6 because it's like too much fat in the gravy. How dreary. Are you wanting to mystify 'real' music? Stuart RA > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:22:31 + > To: [1]lutesm...@mac.co

[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-11-01 Thread benny
Yup, what you end up doing depends a great deal on the tempo. Then you have to use your ear. Over-playing and harmonizing each bass note is the temptation. The best continuo players I've seen often do less rather than more, really using the chord sounds as punctuation, and never letting the

[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-11-01 Thread tom
I think the comment about looking for the correct tempo by knowing how it was danced is spot-on. There are now quite a few Renaissance dances filmed and available on YouTube. Assuming that these troups are performing the dances "correctly", an average tempo for a dance like #s 39 & 40, Bran

[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-11-01 Thread Ron Andrico
> CC: lutesm...@mac.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: s.wa...@ntlworld.com > Subject: [LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise > > On 01/11/2011 17:30, Ron Andrico wrote: > > Stuart: > While the choices and execution by (notice I didn't use the ambiguous > 

[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-11-02 Thread Valéry Sauvage
igine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de t...@heartistrymusic.com Envoyé : mercredi 2 novembre 2011 02:44 À : Lute Net; Stuart Walsh Objet : [LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise I think the comment about looking for the correct tempo by knowing how it was danced is spo

[LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise

2011-11-02 Thread Ron Andrico
Thank you for this, Val. Once again the French lead the way and have set the standard for the rest of us. RA > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 08:30:08 +0100 > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: sauvag...@orange.fr > Subject: [LUTE] Re: strumming Gervaise > > We