Gianoncelli ornaments 1650

In anticipation of the immanent arrival of my archlute I've been looking at some Gianoncelli. I have some questions about the ornaments. The only writing to be found is one page at the beginning which appears to be a dedication in Italian and the date of 1650. Am I missing a page where he expla

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"Ed Durbrow" schrieb: >> Piccinini mentions three kinds of 'tremoli': 1) 'tremolo longo': '...if it is a 0 you beat on the first, if it is the first you beat the second and so on... [main note trill]. 2) '...put the little finger on the third fret of the first string and

Re: Gianoncelli ornaments 1650

On Friday 14 January 2005 18:45, you wrote: Not mentioned among the other replies are the works by Pietro Paolo Melii. Which is contrary to the others in his ornament indications, but explains what he means. He writes the following in 'il quinto libro' ' ... dove trovarai un T come questo anteced

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Gianoncelli marks open strings with a T, where an appoggiatura from the note below is unlikely. HP To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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>Mathias Roesel wrote: >So, I'd say that combinations of trills or mordents with appogiature >from above or below were European, not only French. BTW in French >baroque lute music, mordents or trills do _not_ always start from upper >notes. Have a look into Jacques Gallot's table of ornaments (167

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Tacho Walstra wrote: >Another indication is >'dove trovarai un diesis come questo XX (he indicates something which looks >like a 'w'), ponterai col dito nella nota dove sera sotto facendo sostenare >la voce alla cora a pocho a pocho' >which I interprete as making a mordent with the note below the

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Dear Andrea, martellement is what I had in mind, indeed. What I was trying to say was that French ornaments don't necessarily start from auxiliary notes. Although using differing signs, Gallot and Mouton agree that the martellement starts from the main note. (Harpsicordists like Francois Couperin