nd I do like your Spooneristic poem, well done).
But each of us has a personal taste. I have heard many chords just like it
in context, but never in older music. I think it is a refreshing thing to
find such a chord in the 16th century, so common in Hindemuth and others
today. If the composer of Gypsi
I agree with Thomas, David and Wayne on "the CHORD". Today I had to drive to
NYC (for a tooth extraction, ouch) and got the chance to play Ronn's CD with
Gypsie's Lilt. I found the chord surprising in context, but not dischordant
to the thrust of the music. As I said before
>Ed Durbrow at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Are you folks kidding?>
>
>Probably a bad day to address that question to a Californian.
Howard, that's your second post in 12 hours that made me laugh out
loud. Hey, I'm a Californian too! As Dave Barry said, CA wins back
the title from Florida as t
Since my name was transposed in vain, I will suggest this.. That
chord is clearly what was intended. The scribe made lots of
mistakes which he crossed out and fixed, but he never tried
to correct this. Now our scribe, Sir William Mure didn't
show any great tendency to follow the rules of music
Howard Posner wrote:
> Ed Durbrow at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>>Are you folks kidding?>
>
>
> Probably a bad day to address that question to a Californian.
The next president of the USA will certainly come from a zoo.
>
> < Obviously that's a Bb chord
>
>>and sounds entirely Scottish.
At 01:16 PM 10/8/2003 -0700, Howard Posner wrote:
>I also wonder if anyone would bother with Gypsie's Lilt if you took out the
>Bb/A/Eb/Bb and replaced it with a B flat chord. It's a pretty dull piece
>that way.
I second that emotion.
Caroline
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Best wishes,
Stewart McCoy.
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From: "Spring, aus dem, Rainer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: Gypsie's Lilt
http://www.lautenist.de/schottisch.
this would excite a lot of
comment if it showed up in a Kapsberger toccata or a Lawes fantasy from
about the same time.
I also wonder if anyone would bother with Gypsie's Lilt if you took out the
Bb/A/Eb/Bb and replaced it with a B flat chord. It's a pretty dull piece
that way.
Ed Durbrow at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Are you folks kidding?>
Probably a bad day to address that question to a Californian.
< Obviously that's a Bb chord
> and sounds entirely Scottish.
But does it sound like an early seventeenth-century Scot's view of what
gypsies sounded like?
Paul O'Dett
>I know this has been discussed before in connection with Dalza, the
>Gypsy Lilt CHORD etc., but I have to say that I'm not convinced that
>every time we hear something that doesn't suit our musical ear, we
>automatically assume it's a mistake and set about changing it.
>
>I don't support the id
I know this has been discussed before in connection with Dalza, the
Gypsy Lilt CHORD etc., but I have to say that I'm not convinced that
every time we hear something that doesn't suit our musical ear, we
automatically assume it's a mistake and set about changing it.
Personally, I'm more interes
al Message-
From: Caroline Usher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gypsie's Lilt
At 12:39 AM 10/8/2003 +0300, Arto Wikla wrote:
>Well, we've been talking quite a lot about that chord in th
uestion is, how many lutenists played the Gypsie's Lilt with multiple
discords at midnight GMT?
Caroline
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DCMB Administrative Coordinator
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Box 91000
>http://www.lautenist.de/schottisch.pdf (page 4)
Just went there. Are you folks kidding? Obviously that's a Bb chord
and sounds entirely Scottish. Of course the scribe made a mistake and
then copied that bar every time it came up again. IMNSHO
--
Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www9.plala.or.j
>It's very unlikely that
> > a scribe repeats the same mistake over and over again.
Well, sure it is likely. If he had discovered his 'mistake' he'd go
back and correct it. He could have made a mistake with the first
instance and then copied it over and over thinking it was just the
same chord
then immediately followed it with the right chord, without
exception?
-Original Message-
From: Thomas Schall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:57 AM
To: Stewart McCoy; Lute Net
Subject: Re: Gypsie's Lilt
Hi,
it's in the Rowallen MS (sorry - no page referenc
Dear Thomas and other lutenists
> it's in the Rowallen MS (sorry - no page reference at the moment) and
> appears (if I have counted correcty) 8 times. It's very unlikely that
> a scribe repeats the same mistake over and over again.
I think that a scribe might easily copy his first pattern of "s
http://www.lautenist.de/schottisch.pdf (page 4)
Thomas
Tony Chalkley schrieb am 08.10.2003:
>This is tantalizing - this morning I had never heard of this
>lilting gypsy,
>and now I am left hanging on a discord in the expectation of a
>resolution
>that has not yet surfaced - I'd love to see the m
in an old document doesn't mean that
>it has to be correct. Human beings make mistakes. If something is
>questionable, we may simply have to use our common sense.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Stewart McCoy.
>
>
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CTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: Gypsie's Lilt
> Hi,
>
> this is one of the most beautifull chords in renaissance lute music!
> And - BTW - it HAS to be a chord which sounds a bit out of pl
Human beings make mistakes. If something is
questionable, we may simply have to use our common sense.
Best wishes,
Stewart McCoy.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:50 PM
Subject: Gypsie's Lilt
>
David Rastall schrieb am 07.10.2003:
>Well yes, dear Rainer, one can't argue with the exact science of
>mathematics, but where is it stated that the art of music has to
>obey
>such stringent rules that a subjective judgement cannot be made
>occasionally?
>
and the rules one has learnt, often ju
Howard Posner schrieb am 07.10.2003:
>Rainer aus dem Spring at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
>ha, ha, ha,
>> ha,
>> ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
>ha, ha, ha,
>> ha,
>> ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, h
Craig,
I've tried the chord in question on the harp (using Ronn's guitar
transcription), then the following chord. It is a chord very desirous of
resolution, and the resolution does come in the next chord to some extent
(but still leaves some desire hanging). A very modern chord, could easily be
H
Rainer aus dem Spring at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
> ha,
> ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
> ha,
> ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
On Tuesday, October 7, 2003, at 07:39 PM, Rainer aus dem Spring wrote:
> Thomas Schall wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> this is one of the most beautifull chords in renaissance lute music!
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
> ha, ha, ha,
> ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
mentioned the Gypsie's Lilt
>I decided to see if I had a copy and in fact I have two, one by Ronn
>McFarlane and one by Robert Phillips. Both versions contain the most
>hideous chord I've ever heard.
>
> d
>---
> b
>---
> a
>---
>
>---
>
>---
Thomas Schall wrote:
> Hi,
>
> this is one of the most beautifull chords in renaissance lute music!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, h
t;Lutars for an independant scotland" :-)
Best wishes
Thomas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 07.10.2003:
>Ok Caroline, this is all your fault. Since you mentioned the
>Gypsie's Lilt
>I decided to see if I had a copy and in fact I have two, one by Ronn
>McFarlane and one by Robert Phi
Dear Caroline and all,
on Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Caroline Usher wrote:
> It's a wonderful chord! And full of gypsy magic, I'll warrant.
>
> >___d__
> >___b__
> >___a__
> >__
> >__
> >___d__
> >
> Well, you have to make something out of it when you play it. However,
> remember my suggestion
At 04:50 PM 10/7/2003 -0400, Craig wrote:
>Ok Caroline, this is all your fault.
Not since I resigned the presidency!
> Since you mentioned the Gypsie's Lilt
>I decided to see if I had a copy and in fact I have two, one by Ronn
>McFarlane and one by Robert Phillips. Both ver
Ok Caroline, this is all your fault. Since you mentioned the Gypsie's Lilt
I decided to see if I had a copy and in fact I have two, one by Ronn
McFarlane and one by Robert Phillips. Both versions contain the most
hideous chord I've ever heard.
d
---
b
---
a
---
---
---
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