onant or the Lutes as sustaining. The
>sound died pretty quickly making this a non issue.
>
>Vance Wood.
>
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>From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lute list"
>To play "historically", whatever that means, presumably involves
>understanding the full historical picture. The more I learn, the
>wider that picture gets.
The more I look at paintings the wider the picture gets. I wish I
knew more about art history: were the subjects models? how accurate
were
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>To: "Lute Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Re: The Right Hand Revisited
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:23:01 -
>
>Dear Craig,
>
>Many thanks. That's extremely useful. You can see clearly how the
>right-hand index finger follows th
the better, even if there is some
>duplication of thought.
>
>
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>From: "Jason Kortis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Lute List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:20 PM
>Subject: Re: The Right Hand R
ibutions we get from people the better, even if there is some
duplication of thought.
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From: "Jason Kortis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lute List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: The Right Hand Revis
admit, due to an auto accident, I have concentrated on =
resolving these old issues.
Vance Wood.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: The Right Hand Revisited
Hi Vance,
I'm going t
In a message dated 11/17/03 10:08:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> You can see an animation of Jacob Heringman's right hand playing with
> 'thumb
> under' technique on the home page of his website www.heringman.com.
You can also find video clips (no sound!) showing thum
Well, I guess it would depend on the length of your fingers and thumb! :?) If
your pinky is anchored below the first course, then reaching the 10/11/12th
course with your thumb can be tricky, especially with faster passages -- and
getting a proper angle for a good tone. It's funny, but this whole d
Dear All,
I think, as someone else also pointed out, that the reasons
to choose one way or the other should be: "To be able to make a good sound-
according to your ideal-, and at the same time have many different colours-
not just one fixed sound-. To be able to play fast and slow
es as sustaining. The
sound died pretty quickly making this a non issue.
Vance Wood.
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From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lute list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003
I've never played "thumb in" or "thumb under" or whatever it may be called,
but does it really facilitate the thumb-index alternation of FAST scalar
runs? It would great if someone could post a compressed video with audio
demonstrating the benfits of this tecnique.With "thumb out" technique, I can
quot;Craig Hartley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: The Right Hand Revisited
> You can see an animation of Jacob Heringman's right hand playing
with 'thumb
> under' technique on the home page o
' or 'mouse over' is purely
a matter of personal preference.
Craig
>From: Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: lute list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: The Right Hand Revisited
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:13:57 +0900
>
> >is there any site with a d
> It would be very difficult to play much of the
>later music with larger lutes (10+ courses) with thumb under -- you can't get
>to the lower courses as easily.
I don't understand this. How does the hand position make a difference
on the deep bass courses? I am stretching to the max to hit the 1
>is there any site with a description of the
>several right hand techniques?
I recommend: http://www.xs4all.nl/~amarin/Page1.html Alfonso
Marin's collection of lute related pictures. A picture is worth a
thousand words.
cheers,
--
Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
>I have found some strong advantages to playing the thumb out that are not
>possible, at least in my mind, with thumb in.
Could you expand on that? the advantages part, I mean.
I'm struggling with thumb out. I find it hard to get a good tone
while plucking thumb and index on adjacent strings and
"Thomas Schall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Recently even Bob Barto spoke in an interview for the (british) Lute Society about
> Thumb-out as being the historical better way to play baroque lute. Lutz Kirchhof is
> playing thumb-out for years (on both renaissance and baroque lute). There are
t that would be of help to them.
Best wishes,
Stewart McCoy.
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From: "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "lute list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: The Right Hand Revisited
> Here we
I think you'll find that the best players play both thumb positions -- it's
dependant on the music really. It would be very difficult to play much of the
later music with larger lutes (10+ courses) with thumb under -- you can't get
to the lower courses as easily. I had to learn "Jesu Joy of Man's D
Recently even Bob Barto spoke in an interview for the (british) Lute
Society about Thumb-out as being the historical better way to play
baroque lute. Lutz Kirchhof is playing thumb-out for years (on both
renaissance and baroque lute).
There are several studies dealing with the object - an ovbervie
Here we go again, the rank beginner with a basic question. What are we
talking about?
I was recently emailed a couple of paragraphs from a lute instructional
regarding the right hand - it spoke of "thumb under" and "thumb over". And
I've heard the terms used on this list. I'd been trying to figure
Vance Wood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I would like to see some serious Lute players
> ferret out the differences instead of condemning the practice straight out.
> I have found some strong advantages to playing the thumb out that are not
> possible, at least in my mind, with thumb in.
You must
Dear Vance and All:
I play thumb-out. Much of my playing is on a 10-course lute or theorbo, in
which thumb-out is the more normal position (I think!). Many good baroque
players and continuo specialists currently play thumb-out. None of my
teachers (including many eminent players) has ever told
;[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: The Right Hand Revisited
>
> Dear Vance (and the List),
>
> you asked:
>
> > I know we beat this subject to death around here but I see the Lute
world
> > once again in transition. My Question i
Dear Vance (and the List),
you asked:
> I know we beat this subject to death around here but I see the Lute world
> once again in transition. My Question is: Does anyone on this list play
> thumb out, or know of anyone who plays thumb out and is there any reputable
> player doing so? Has anyon
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