Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-07 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-03-07, rgheck wrote: > José Matos wrote: >> On Friday 06 March 2009 13:57:34 Guenter Milde wrote: >> This would be moot if the paragraph had some kind of special markup, like: >> \begin{standard} >> ... >> \end{standard} >> or even >> \standard{...} if you prefer. Thinking about it, I

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread rgheck
José Matos wrote: On Friday 06 March 2009 13:57:34 Guenter Milde wrote: But it really is: like a footnote, the float definition can be inside a paragraph while the output is moved to a different place by the tex engine. You can even see the difference: * when you put the float inset i

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-03-06, José Matos wrote: > On Friday 06 March 2009 13:57:34 Guenter Milde wrote: >> like a footnote, the float definition can be inside a >> paragraph while the output is moved to a different place by the tex >> engine. >> You can even see the difference: >> * when you put the float i

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread lyx-devel
Kaplinsky" To: lyx-de...@oak-tree.us, lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 11:32:44 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal Ideally, the tool for organizing one's ideas before and during writing, would enable the user

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread José Matos
On Friday 06 March 2009 13:57:34 Guenter Milde wrote: > But it really is: > > like a footnote, the float definition can be inside a > paragraph while the output is moved to a different place by the tex > engine. > > You can even see the difference: > > * when you put the float inset into its o

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread Eran Kaplinsky
Ideally, the tool for organizing one's ideas before and during writing, would enable the user to choose between an outline mode and a mind map mode. Mind mapping tools such as xmind allow you to drag and drop your various topics/concepts in order to modify their order and hierarchy on the fly.

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-03-06, Charles de Miramon wrote: > If I understand the corkboard approach, you start by writing random notes, > an outline of your ideas, etc... Then you can shuffle it and link it and > then you start to write your document. But this can already be done with Branches: * Put your ideas i

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-03-06, José Matos wrote: > On Friday 06 March 2009 09:08:37 Guenter Milde wrote: >> I'd rather like to see the difference made clear. >> Layouts are "block elements", you cannot have two layouts in one >> paragraph. >> Insets are "inline elements" (even if they sometimes contain block >>

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Charles de Miramon writes: > If I understand the corkboard approach, you start by writing random notes, > an outline of your ideas, etc... Then you can shuffle it and link it and > then you start to write your document. I'll have to read about it, then/ JMatc

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread Charles de Miramon
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > rgheck writes: > >> Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: >>> 2. implement the possibility to add comments to the outliner items. >>> As Helge wrote, these will need to be stored in the document (as >>> specific properties). I suppose this would be much easier to >>> implement

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread José Matos
On Friday 06 March 2009 09:08:37 Guenter Milde wrote: > I'd rather like to see the difference made clear. > > Layouts are "block elements", you cannot have two layouts in one > paragraph. > > Insets are "inline elements" (even if they sometimes contain block > elements. No they are not. It is not

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: lar...@gullik.org (Lars Gullik Bjønnes) writes: Abdelrazak Younes writes: | a bit like XML :-) I clearly remember who helped shoot that one down. Hmm, I feel a nice Friday thread brewing. Usual suspects: me or André? Abdel.

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Guenter Milde writes: > I'd rather like to see the difference made clear. > > Layouts are "block elements", you cannot have two layouts in one > paragraph. > > Insets are "inline elements" (even if they sometimes contain block > elements. Yes, and HTML shows well this distinction. However, I hav

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-03-06, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: >> rgheck schreef: >>> This is the same issue as with InsetOptArg. It shouldn't be an inset. >>> It's a layout feature. >>> Richard >> That's why I would like to see this difference to disappear. I'd rather like to see the

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
lar...@gullik.org (Lars Gullik Bjønnes) writes: > Abdelrazak Younes writes: > | a bit like XML :-) > > I clearly remember who helped shoot that one down. Hmm, I feel a nice Friday thread brewing. JMarc

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-06 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Abdelrazak Younes writes: | a bit like XML :-) I clearly remember who helped shoot that one down. -- Lgb

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-05 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote: rgheck schreef: This is the same issue as with InsetOptArg. It shouldn't be an inset. It's a layout feature. Richard That's why I would like to see this difference to disappear. Why is a note an Inset and the title an layout ? Why is a branch an inset and the a

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-05 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Guenter Milde wrote: On 2009-03-05, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: We can just show the contents of notes that are in the section paragraphs. This is what I had in mind too. Or have a 'show in outline' option if you prefer. I'd prefer a "show summary/notes" toggle in the out

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-05 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2009-03-05, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >We can just show the contents of notes that are in the section > paragraphs. This is what I had in mind too. > Or have a 'show in outline' option if you prefer. I'd prefer a "show summary/notes" toggle in the outliner instead. Günter

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-05 Thread Vincent van Ravesteijn
rgheck schreef: This is the same issue as with InsetOptArg. It shouldn't be an inset. It's a layout feature. Richard That's why I would like to see this difference to disappear. Why is a note an Inset and the title an layout ? Why is a branch an inset and the abstract a layout ? Why do we ha

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
rgheck writes: > You could do that, but the problem with that kind of solution, as I > see it, is that you then have to keep the note insets in the right > place. This is the same issue as with InsetOptArg. It shouldn't be an > inset. It's a layout feature. But it is a _note_. And if it makes se

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-05 Thread rgheck
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: rgheck writes: Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2. implement the possibility to add comments to the outliner items. As Helge wrote, these will need to be stored in the document (as specific properties). I suppose this would be much easier to implement after LyX's

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
rgheck writes: > Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: >> 2. implement the possibility to add comments to the outliner items. >> As Helge wrote, these will need to be stored in the document (as >> specific properties). I suppose this would be much easier to >> implement after LyX's file format switched to XM

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-05 Thread rgheck
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: 2. implement the possibility to add comments to the outliner items. As Helge wrote, these will need to be stored in the document (as specific properties). I suppose this would be much easier to implement after LyX's file format switched to XML, something that is planne

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-05 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Rob Oakes wrote: > http://www.oak-tree.us/stuff/LyX-Proposal.pdf Thanks, this is a an interesting paper. I think that your proposal is overall compatible with LyX's approach, and I think LyX could be extended to support at least many of your ideas. The actual question now is: how to implement t

Re: LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Rob Oakes wrote: Dear Jürgen and other LyX Developers, Thank you very much for the kind welcome. Pursuant to your advice, I have gone through and tried to develop my thoughts on a few features that I would be excited to develop and add to LyX. Because of dummy-layouts and a few other graphi

LyX Outliner and Corkboard - Feature Proposal

2009-03-04 Thread Rob Oakes
Dear Jürgen and other LyX Developers, Thank you very much for the kind welcome. Pursuant to your advice, I have gone through and tried to develop my thoughts on a few features that I would be excited to develop and add to LyX. Because of dummy-layouts and a few other graphics I wasn't able to