Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
> Andre> The ones related to Formats are for output, the 'global' one is > Andre> for LyX's own drawing. > > but for output, if you output \firstname{...}, there is no need for > fonts... That's why I dropped that Font part for the LaTeX output in the second mail IIRC. Andre'

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:42:43PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes spake thusly: ... > the question is if we want to base this upon InsetElement. > I guess yes... but I don't want InsetElement in unless we are going to > make it also work (not necessarily in the same patch) with other > output

[Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Vermeer
This patch offers an inset to contain an XML element that is smaller than a paragraph, typically a word or small phrase. It is used in docbook and the example document for demonstration. Currently only firstname, surname, filename and literate, but that's only the start -- there's lots of those

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:29:49PM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: This patch offers an inset to contain an XML element that is smaller than a paragraph, typically a word or small phrase. It is used in docbook and the example document for demonstration. Currently only firstname, surname

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Martin Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | This patch offers an inset to contain an XML element that is smaller | than a paragraph, typically a word or small phrase. It is used in | docbook and the example document for demonstration. Currently only | firstname, surname, filename and literate

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:25:42PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Martin Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | This patch offers an inset to contain an XML element that is smaller | than a paragraph, typically a word or small phrase. It is used in | docbook and the example document

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:29:49PM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: This patch offers an inset to contain an XML element that is smaller than a paragraph, typically a word or small phrase. It is used in docbook and the example document for demonstration

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: |- three-box-drawing Do you _really_ need that... This is just for very short phrases... one two words. Then with a bit more magic we will have character style support... emph and noun should both use this. | But with single-box-drawing UI would

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:46:32PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: |- three-box-drawing Do you _really_ need that... This is just for very short phrases... one two words. If so, than probably not. But it would hamper its usability for

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
we'd like to have This \firstname{Lars Gullik} is my firstname. And in docbook (xml): This firstnameLars Gullik/firstname is my firstname. to work. First we need something to hold the firstname in LyX. f.ex. an inset. Could also be done by dynamic font properties. We also want the user

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Andre Poenitz
. And in docbook (xml): This firstnameLars Gullik/firstname is my firstname. to work. First we need something to hold the firstname in LyX. f.ex. an inset. Could also be done by dynamic font properties. We also want the user to be able to set how this firstname should be rendered, bold

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Andre Poenitz
like to have This \firstname{Lars Gullik} is my firstname. And in docbook (xml): This firstnameLars Gullik/firstname is my firstname. to work. First we need something to hold the firstname in LyX. f.ex. an inset. Could also be done by dynamic font properties. We

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | CharacterStyle FirstName | Format LaTeX | Header \firstname{ | Footer } | Font | Series xxx | Sizeyyy | EndFont | End | Format

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 03 November 2003 17:56, Andre Poenitz wrote: But I still don't get the difference to either InsetEnvironment (bigger things) or 'Font changes as insets' (smaller things), both of which do not seem to get much support... As I understand it we have two reasons: 1) a clear

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Is is probably better: | Format LaTeX | Preamble \newcommand{\firstname}[1]{\emph{\small #1}} | Header \firstname{ | Footer } | End | but you get the idea... Perhaps better, perhaps not... in the

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:29:49PM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: This patch offers an inset to contain an XML element that is smaller than a paragraph, typically a word or small phrase. It is used in docbook and the example document for demonstration. Currently only firstname, surname

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:39:01PM +, Jose' Matos wrote: Yet André does not get too many complains about mathed present navigational model. :-) Indeed, he doesn't. That's because typing and typesetting of math as opposed to text is very different in terms of user experience (logical

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 03 November 2003 18:02, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: First we need something to hold the firstname in LyX. f.ex. an inset. Could also be done by dynamic font properties. We also want the user to be able to set how this firstname should be rendered, bold, smallcaps, italics, red etc.,

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Angus Leeming
Andre Poenitz wrote: CharacterStyle FirstName Format LaTeX Header \firstname{ Footer } Font Series xxx Sizeyyy EndFont End Is is probably better: Format LaTeX Preamble \newcommand{\firstname}[1]{\emph{\small #1}} Header \firstname{ Footer } End but you get the

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 03 November 2003 18:46, John Levon wrote: Indeed, he doesn't. That's because typing and typesetting of math as opposed to text is very different in terms of user experience (logical structure is nearer the surface in the user's model, most formulae are rather fiddly, the structure

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 03 November 2003 18:52, Angus Leeming wrote: Is is probably better: Format LaTeX Preamble \newcommand{\firstname}[1]{\emph{\small #1}} Header \firstname{ Footer } End but you get the idea... This is suspiciously like the language used in lib/external_templates.

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Angus Leeming
Jose' Matos wrote: This is suspiciously like the language used in lib/external_templates. Is the latter an ExternalStyle? I guess that it is really. No, since it is not related with external entities. Sorry José, I don't understand. external_templates is definitely concerned with

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Angus Leeming
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Is is probably better: | Format LaTeX | Preamble \newcommand{\firstname}[1]{\emph{\small #1}} | Header \firstname{ | Footer } | End | but you get the idea... Perhaps better, perhaps not... in the .layout file

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:25:42PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes spake thusly: | Comments please. Please dont' think that this is XML specific. By just adding a bit more code this might be used for character styles. (logical markup) Damn. Can't I keep anything secret from you

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Is is probably better: | Format LaTeX | Preamble \newcommand{\firstname}[1]{\emph{\small #1}} | Header \firstname{ | Footer } | End | but you get the idea... Perhaps

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 03 November 2003 19:04, Angus Leeming wrote: Jose' Matos wrote: This is suspiciously like the language used in lib/external_templates. Is the latter an ExternalStyle? I guess that it is really. No, since it is not related with external entities. Sorry José, I don't

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:29:55PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes spake thusly: Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... This I like. Mee too (except for some minor detail). Just cannot invest the time right now, and I want it to work for XML now -- which doesn't need what you propose here

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Vermeer
mathed present navigational model. :-) No... actually I would have preferred to use that kind of inset rather than this collapsable inset. An inline, limited updatable inset, freely nestable. Actually as i see it, more important (for XML at least) than providing layout and user configurability

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Martin Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Mee too (except for some minor detail). Just cannot invest the time | right now, and I want it to work for XML now -- which doesn't need | what you propose here (which BTW is rather similar to what John dreamt | up in a previous life). the question

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:42:43PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes spake thusly: Martin Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Mee too (except for some minor detail). Just cannot invest the time | right now, and I want it to work for XML now -- which doesn't need | what you propose here (which BTW

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Garst R. Reese
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: Perhaps better, perhaps not... in the .layout file this can be used, but when inserted by the user (in some dialog) I don't want the user to be required to know what the latex will look like. Noble goal, I must admit that I resort to the LaTeX Companion far less

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Garst R. Reese
Martin Vermeer wrote: Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the adequate. Who said The cost of perfection is bankrupty ? Garst

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Garst R. Reese
Jose' Matos wrote: 2) UI where it is assumed that the box inside a box model is too difficult for the normal user to grasp. Does LyX have any normal users ? Garst

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Garst R. Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Martin Vermeer wrote: | Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the adequate. | Who said The cost of perfection is bankrupty ? Some english businessman: The cost of perfection is prohibitive. basically the only reference I found. -- Lgb

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:43:59PM +, John Levon spake thusly: It would be fairly easy, surely, to use ERT-style inline always, and add a conglomerate-style note at the bottom of the inset : Foo foo foo Stevennn foo foo foo foo \--First

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Angus Leeming
Martin Vermeer wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:43:59PM +, John Levon spake thusly: It would be fairly easy, surely, to use ERT-style inline always, and add a conglomerate-style note at the bottom of the inset : Foo foo foo Stevennn foo foo foo foo \--First

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Martin Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:43:59PM +, John Levon spake thusly: | It would be fairly easy, surely, to use ERT-style inline always, and add a conglomerate-style note at the bottom of the inset : Foo foo foo Stevennn foo foo

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:52:32PM +, Jose' Matos wrote: Ok, but did I got the objections right? Think so. ... john -- Khendon's Law: If the same point is made twice by the same person, the thread is over.

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:17:14AM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: Foo foo foo Stevennn foo foo foo foo \--First name--/ How? Inline yes, but this? And wouldn't the following do [Element: firstname] Stevennn With a frame around it,

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:21:16AM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes spake thusly: | On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:43:59PM +, John Levon spake thusly: a conglomerate-style note at the bottom of the inset : | [Element: firstname] Stevennn Isn't that a bit verbose? (space greedy)

[Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Vermeer
This patch offers an inset to contain an XML element that is smaller than a paragraph, typically a word or small phrase. It is used in docbook and the example document for demonstration. Currently only firstname, surname, filename and literate, but that's only the start -- there's lots of those

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:29:49PM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: > This patch offers an inset to contain an XML element that is smaller > than a paragraph, typically a word or small phrase. It is used in > docbook and the example document for demonstration. Currently only > firstn

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | This patch offers an inset to contain an XML element that is smaller | than a paragraph, typically a word or small phrase. It is used in | docbook and the example document for demonstration. Currently only | firstname, surname, filename and li

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:25:42PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | This patch offers an inset to contain an XML element that is smaller > | than a paragraph, typically a word or small phrase. It is used in > | docbook and

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:29:49PM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: >> This patch offers an inset to contain an XML element that is smaller >> than a paragraph, typically a word or small phrase. It is used in >> docbook

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: |- three-box-drawing Do you _really_ need that... This is just for very short phrases... one two words. >> Then with a bit more magic we will have character style support... >> emph and noun should both use this. > | But with single-box-drawing UI

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:46:32PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > |- three-box-drawing > > Do you _really_ need that... > This is just for very short phrases... one two words. If so, than probably not. But it would hamper its usability for

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
ngs"), both of which | do not seem to get much support... The difference implementation wise might not be huge. Just to have a short recap on character styles: in latex we'd like to have "This \firstname{Lars Gullik} is my firstname." And in docbook (xml): "This

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Andre Poenitz
Gullik} is my firstname." > > And in docbook (xml): > > "This Lars Gullik is my firstname." > > to work. > > First we need something to hold the firstname in LyX. f.ex. an inset. > Could also be done by dynamic "font properties". > We also

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Andre Poenitz
ecap on character styles: > > > > in latex we'd like to have > > > >"This \firstname{Lars Gullik} is my firstname." > > > > And in docbook (xml): > > > > "This Lars Gullik is my firstname." > > > > to work. > > >

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | CharacterStyle FirstName | Format LaTeX | Header "\firstname{" | Footer "}" | Font | Series xxx | Sizeyyy | EndFont | End | Format

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 03 November 2003 17:56, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > But I still don't get the difference to either InsetEnvironment ("bigger > things") or 'Font changes as insets' ("smaller things"), both of which > do not seem to get much support... As I understand it we have two reasons: 1) a clear

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Is is probably better: > | Format LaTeX | Preamble "\newcommand{\firstname}[1]{\emph{\small #1}}" | Header "\firstname{" | Footer "}" | End > | but you get the idea... Perhaps better, perhaps not...

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:29:49PM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: > This patch offers an inset to contain an XML element that is smaller > than a paragraph, typically a word or small phrase. It is used in > docbook and the example document for demonstration. Currently only > firstn

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:39:01PM +, Jose' Matos wrote: > Yet André does not get too many complains about mathed present navigational > model. :-) Indeed, he doesn't. That's because typing and typesetting of math as opposed to text is very different in terms of user experience (logical

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 03 November 2003 18:02, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > > First we need something to hold the firstname in LyX. f.ex. an inset. > Could also be done by dynamic "font properties". > > We also want the user to be able to set how this firstname should be > rendered, bold, smallcaps, italics,

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Angus Leeming
Andre Poenitz wrote: >> CharacterStyle FirstName >> Format LaTeX >> Header "\firstname{" >> Footer "}" >> Font >> Series xxx >> Sizeyyy >> EndFont >> End > > Is is probably better: > > Format LaTeX > Preamble "\newcommand{\firstname}[1]{\emph{\small #1}}" > Header "\firstname{" > Footer

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 03 November 2003 18:46, John Levon wrote: > > Indeed, he doesn't. That's because typing and typesetting of math as > opposed to text is very different in terms of user experience (logical > structure is "nearer the surface" in the user's model, most formulae are > rather fiddly, the

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 03 November 2003 18:52, Angus Leeming wrote: > > Is is probably better: > > > > Format LaTeX > > Preamble "\newcommand{\firstname}[1]{\emph{\small #1}}" > > Header "\firstname{" > > Footer "}" > > End > > > > but you get the idea... > > This is suspiciously like the language used in

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Angus Leeming
Jose' Matos wrote: >> This is suspiciously like the language used in >> lib/external_templates. Is the latter an ExternalStyle? I guess >> that it is really. > > No, since it is not related with external entities. Sorry José, I don't understand. external_templates is definitely concerned

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Angus Leeming
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | Is is probably better: >> > | Format LaTeX > | Preamble "\newcommand{\firstname}[1]{\emph{\small #1}}" > | Header "\firstname{" > | Footer "}" > | End >> > | but you get the idea... > > Perhaps better, perhaps

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:25:42PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes spake thusly: > > | Comments please. > > Please dont' think that this is XML specific. > > By just adding a bit more code this might be used for character > styles. (logical markup) Damn. Can't I keep any

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > >> Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> | Is is probably better: >>> >> | Format LaTeX >> | Preamble "\newcommand{\firstname}[1]{\emph{\small #1}}" >> | Header "\firstname{" >> | Footer "}" >> | End >>> >> |

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Jose' Matos
On Monday 03 November 2003 19:04, Angus Leeming wrote: > Jose' Matos wrote: > >> This is suspiciously like the language used in > >> lib/external_templates. Is the latter an ExternalStyle? I guess > >> that it is really. > > > > No, since it is not related with external entities. > > Sorry José,

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:29:55PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes spake thusly: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... > This I like. Mee too (except for some minor detail). Just cannot invest the time right now, and I want it to work for XML now -- which doesn't need what

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Vermeer
ny complains about mathed present navigational > model. :-) No... actually I would have preferred to use that kind of inset rather than this collapsable inset. An inline, limited updatable inset, freely nestable. Actually as i see it, more important (for XML at least) than providing layout and

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Mee too (except for some minor detail). Just cannot invest the time | right now, and I want it to work for XML now -- which doesn't need | what you propose here (which BTW is rather similar to what John dreamt | up in a previous life). the qu

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:42:43PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes spake thusly: > > Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | Mee too (except for some minor detail). Just cannot invest the time > | right now, and I want it to work for XML now -- which doesn't need >

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Garst R. Reese
Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > > Perhaps better, perhaps not... in the .layout file this can be used, > but when inserted by the user (in some dialog) I don't want the user > to be required to know what the latex will look like. Noble goal, I must admit that I resort to the LaTeX Companion far

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Garst R. Reese
Martin Vermeer wrote: > Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the adequate. Who said "The cost of perfection is bankrupty" ? Garst

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Garst R. Reese
Jose' Matos wrote: > 2) UI where it is assumed that the box inside a box model is too difficult > for the normal user to grasp. > Does LyX have any "normal" users ? Garst

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
"Garst R. Reese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Martin Vermeer wrote: | >> Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the adequate. | Who said "The cost of perfection is bankrupty" ? Some english businessman: "The cost of perfection is prohibitive." basically the only reference I found. --

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:43:59PM +, John Levon spake thusly: > It would be fairly easy, surely, to use ERT-style inline always, and add > a conglomerate-style note at the bottom of the inset : > > Foo foo foo Stevennn foo foo foo foo > \--First

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Angus Leeming
Martin Vermeer wrote: > On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:43:59PM +, John Levon spake thusly: > >> It would be fairly easy, surely, to use ERT-style inline always, >> and add a conglomerate-style note at the bottom of the inset : >> >> Foo foo foo Stevennn foo foo foo foo >>

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:43:59PM +, John Levon spake thusly: | >> It would be fairly easy, surely, to use ERT-style inline always, and add >> a conglomerate-style note at the bottom of the inset : >> >> Foo foo foo

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:52:32PM +, Jose' Matos wrote: > Ok, but did I got the objections right? Think so. ... john -- Khendon's Law: If the same point is made twice by the same person, the thread is over.

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:17:14AM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: > > Foo foo foo Stevennn foo foo foo foo > > \--First name--/ > > How? Inline yes, but this? And wouldn't the following do > > [Element: firstname] Stevennn With a frame

Re: [Patch] Element inset, XML

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:21:16AM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes spake thusly: > > | On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:43:59PM +, John Levon spake thusly: > >> a conglomerate-style note at the bottom of the inset : > | [Element: firstname] Stevennn > > Isn't that a bit verbose? (space

Re: Send XML to the moon - was [patch] more slowness

2003-08-06 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:51:08AM +0200, Asger Kunuk Alstrup wrote: No. As a file format, the exchange of documents to other systems is important, and here XML has an advantage. Also, since the basic LyX data structure is a tree, a format designed for tree structures makes much sense. Also

Re: Send XML to the moon - was [patch] more slowness

2003-08-06 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:51:08AM +0200, Asger Kunuk Alstrup wrote: > No. As a file format, the exchange of documents to other systems is > important, and here XML has an advantage. Also, since the basic LyX > data structure is a tree, a format designed for tree structures makes >

Re: Send XML to the moon - was [patch] more slowness

2003-08-05 Thread Asger Kunuk Alstrup
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, John Levon wrote: I take it you're against moving to an XML format for the file format then. No. As a file format, the exchange of documents to other systems is important, and here XML has an advantage. Also, since the basic LyX data structure is a tree, a format designed

Re: Send XML to the moon - was [patch] more slowness

2003-08-05 Thread Asger Kunuk Alstrup
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, John Levon wrote: > I take it you're against moving to an XML format for the file format > then. No. As a file format, the exchange of documents to other systems is important, and here XML has an advantage. Also, since the basic LyX data structure is a tree, a format de

Send XML to the moon - was [patch] more slowness

2003-08-04 Thread Asger Kunuk Alstrup
. This will do just fine: lastExternalTemplate = xfig Given that there seems to be a push to use xml for the lyx file format, it seems reasonable to not invent yet another language where xml will fit the bill. However, my knowledge of xml is very limited and I don't want to reinvent the wheel here. XML

Re: Send XML to the moon - was [patch] more slowness

2003-08-04 Thread Angus Leeming
Asger Kunuk Alstrup wrote: Oh, I beg you, don't go down that road. Capisco! -- Angus

Re: Send XML to the moon - was [patch] more slowness

2003-08-04 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 10:40:16PM +0200, Asger Kunuk Alstrup wrote: I have worked with XML for three years professionally now, and am continuously monitoring the technology to do this. Most of my experience comes from the Xerces brand of parsers, because those are ironically the most mature

Send XML to the moon - was [patch] more slowness

2003-08-04 Thread Asger Kunuk Alstrup
you, don't go down that road. This will do just fine: lastExternalTemplate = "xfig" > Given that there seems to be a push to use xml for the lyx file format, it > seems reasonable to not invent yet another language where xml will fit the > bill. However, my knowledge of xm

Re: Send XML to the moon - was [patch] more slowness

2003-08-04 Thread Angus Leeming
Asger Kunuk Alstrup wrote: > Oh, I beg you, don't go down that road. Capisco! -- Angus

Re: Send XML to the moon - was [patch] more slowness

2003-08-04 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 10:40:16PM +0200, Asger Kunuk Alstrup wrote: > I have worked with XML for three years professionally now, and am > continuously monitoring the technology to do this. Most of my experience > comes from the Xerces brand of parsers, because those are ironically t

boost::xml?

2003-03-17 Thread Andre Poenitz
Does boost contain a simple XML parser? Or is 'expat' state of the art? Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: boost::xml?

2003-03-17 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Does boost contain a simple XML parser? No. Unless it is part of the spirit examples. -- Lgb

boost::xml?

2003-03-17 Thread Andre Poenitz
Does boost contain a simple XML parser? Or is 'expat' state of the art? Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: boost::xml?

2003-03-17 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Does boost contain a simple XML parser? No. Unless it is part of the spirit examples. -- Lgb

Re: XML file format status

2002-10-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 11:03:35PM +0200, Torsten Bronger wrote: Can anybody give ma a concise status of this plan? The plan is still there. Parts of the file format (tables) are already moved to a XML-like format. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security

Re: XML file format status

2002-10-14 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 10:41:48AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: Parts of the file format (tables) are already moved to a XML-like format. Since we may as well have a flamewar, has anybody considered using XSLT for our output forms, when we have an XML .lyx file ? This would remove huge amounts

Re: XML file format status

2002-10-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 01:11:55PM +0100, John Levon wrote: Parts of the file format (tables) are already moved to a XML-like format. Since we may as well have a flamewar, has anybody considered using XSLT for our output forms, when we have an XML .lyx file ? This would remove huge

Re: XML file format status

2002-10-14 Thread José Abílio Oliveira Matos
On Monday 14 October 2002 13:11, John Levon wrote: Since we may as well have a flamewar, has anybody considered using XSLT for our output forms, when we have an XML .lyx file ? This would remove huge amounts of gook from all the inset files etc. That would replace all the latex, linuxdoc

Re: XML file format status

2002-10-14 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 01:59:12PM +0100, José Abílio Oliveira Matos wrote: That would replace all the latex, linuxdoc, docbook and ascii output methods. Or am I wrong? Right. I bring this since one the possible enhancements that we have discussed this year at Porto was the visitor

Re: XML file format status

2002-10-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 01:59:12PM +0100, José Abílio Oliveira Matos wrote: That would replace all the latex, linuxdoc, docbook and ascii output methods. Or am I wrong? We would have one 'xml' (or 'write') method instead. So in an ideal world: yes. I bring this since one the possible

Re: XML file format status

2002-10-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 01:56:02PM +0100, John Levon wrote: That'd certainly be a massive improvement on the current ugliness, but it still has the problems of C++ output, like inflexibity and awkwardness (not to mention lots of extra code). The visitor pattern does not solve any problem, it

Re: XML file format status

2002-10-14 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
John Levon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 10:41:48AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: Parts of the file format (tables) are already moved to a XML-like format. | Since we may as well have a flamewar, has anybody considered using XSLT | for our output forms, when we have

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