Bo Peng wrote:
> When 1.6.x is started, I will propose an XML/ODF based solution. The
> basic idea is that we can store those latex-related files within the
> ODF file, and allow ooffice and word to open the ODF file with basic
> formating. No latex->doc conversion is required then.
Hmmm. I thin
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 03:04:40PM +0100, Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> Using the mouse, in order to extend the selection beyond the text displayed
> in the window you should slide the pointer below the window margin.
> When doing so, sometimes the text is scrolled and the selection
> extended, but o
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 10:32:51AM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 18:28 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> > After pasting by C-v into LyX, if I cut something and try to paste
> > that, I get the old clipboard content. Only after *copying* something
> > I get a normal behaviour,
Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 18:28 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 03:48:50PM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
>
> > Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 14:51 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> > > What I question here is that those guidelines are also applied to
> > Windows.
> > > However, if I ch
> When 1.6.x is started, I will propose an XML/ODF based solution. The
> basic idea is that we can store those latex-related files within the
> ODF file, and allow ooffice and word to open the ODF file with basic
> formating. No latex->doc conversion is required then.
Hmmm. I think that there are
On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 09:21:43AM +1800, Bo Peng wrote:
> > Once I improved a script which collected all files used by LyX in a tar
> > archive. I am attaching here this script. It is a Bourne shell script,
> > but I think that Bo would be able to easily convert it to python.
> > If there's inter
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 03:48:50PM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 14:51 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> > What I question here is that those guidelines are also applied to
> Windows.
> > However, if I change my hat and wear that of an X11 user, I agree with
> you.
>
> Well,
Once I improved a script which collected all files used by LyX in a tar
archive. I am attaching here this script. It is a Bourne shell script,
but I think that Bo would be able to easily convert it to python.
If there's interest it could even be distributed with LyX. I think
that it is better than
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 01:27:25PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Georg Baum wrote:
>
> >> LyX could ask whether one wants to store a copy of the image besides
> >> the .lyx file... Just a thought.
> >
> > That would be sensible IMHO, but still not the standard behaviour o
Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 14:51 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> What I question here is that those guidelines are also applied to
Windows.
> However, if I change my hat and wear that of an X11 user, I agree with
you.
Well, this whole discussion might be moot now. What do you think of the
proposa
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 12:38:26PM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 12:11 schrieb Andr� Poenitz:
> > On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:18:58AM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
> > > Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 01:47 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> > > > Not to say that the typical Windows us
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:18:58AM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 01:47 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> > I haven't seen any rationale, only opinions. Currently, when I copy
> > something to the clipboard I cannot paste it by C-v, which is what
> > the typical Windows user exp
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:17:25AM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Georg Baum wrote:
> > - As I read Abdel's patch (and as it was meant AFAIK) it overwrites the
> > clipboard with the selection.
>
> Yes but I proposed to remove this clipboard overwriting.
>
> > This destroys a very common fea
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:03:05AM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 22:19 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
>
> > I really can't understand you.
> >
> > 1) Windows has no selection concept.
> > 2) Some programs exists which copy selection to the clipboard.
> > 3) Abdel makes a pat
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 10:24:47AM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Georg Baum wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 22:20 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> >> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:24:49PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> >>
> >>> Georg Baum wrote:
> - copy something to the clipboard
> >>
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Georg Baum wrote:
LyX could ask whether one wants to store a copy of the image besides
the .lyx file... Just a thought.
That would be sensible IMHO, but still not the standard behaviour one is
used from word processors that Enrico demands above.
So Enrico probably wants
Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 12:11 schrieb Andr� Poenitz:
> On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:18:58AM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 01:47 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> > > Not to say that the typical Windows user would expect to be able to
> > > paste images... but... oops, he can
Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 11:17 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
> OK, we have a compromise then. Enrico, would you like to take care of
> the preference setting? This should be a "Enable middle-mouse pasting"
> check-box in the Preference settings dialog somewhere in the "Look&Feel"
> section. Of
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 11:18:58AM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 01:47 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> > I haven't seen any rationale, only opinions. Currently, when I copy
> > something to the clipboard I cannot paste it by C-v, which is what
> > the typical Windows user expe
Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2007 01:47 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> I haven't seen any rationale, only opinions. Currently, when I copy
> something to the clipboard I cannot paste it by C-v, which is what
> the typical Windows user expects. He doesn't expect to have to choose
> either
> Edit->Paste Exte
Georg Baum wrote:
- As I read Abdel's patch (and as it was meant AFAIK) it overwrites the
clipboard with the selection.
Yes but I proposed to remove this clipboard overwriting.
This destroys a very common feature (pasting
something over a selection). Now you don't see that, but I don't
under
Bo Peng wrote:
Yes, it does. Abdel's patch was another way to use the selection thing
on Windows to do something useful.
However, I have yet to see this thing working the same on *nix and
Windows...
I have proposed these 'correct behaviors' a while ago and tried to
implement them by myself. T
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 22:19 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> I really can't understand you.
>
> 1) Windows has no selection concept.
> 2) Some programs exists which copy selection to the clipboard.
> 3) Abdel makes a patch that treats selection as the clipboard.
> 4) This allows pasting with th
Georg Baum wrote:
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 22:20 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:24:49PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Georg Baum wrote:
- copy something to the clipboard
- select something different and press C-v
that currently replaces the selection with the clip
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 23:08 schrieb Bo Peng:
> > > This is also wrong. Mouse selection should not change system
clipboard.
> >
> > Please, read the patch. It does not. It simply copies the clipboard to
> > the selection, so copy by middle mouse button works.
>
> I am confused, and my lyx/li
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 22:20 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:24:49PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
>
> > Georg Baum wrote:
> > > - copy something to the clipboard
> > > - select something different and press C-v
> > >
> > > that currently replaces the selection with
> Windows does not have the concept of selection and windows users have
> deeply-rooted concepts of C-c, C-v so selection should not set
> clipboard. Now, why can not we use middle-button to paste clipboard?
> This is because we can implement selection (primary) within lyx and
> lyx users expect t
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 07:26:58PM -0600, Bo Peng wrote:
> > Tested with notepad, word, open office, vim. It works.
>
> I am not sure what you tested, but none of them supports middle-button
> paste, or selection-set-clipboard.
I tried copying something from these applications to the clipboard a
Tested with notepad, word, open office, vim. It works.
I am not sure what you tested, but none of them supports middle-button
paste, or selection-set-clipboard.
> Anyway, in my opinion, selection clipboard separation
> is a must and lyx/win should not middle-button-paste from external
> applic
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 05:40:23PM -0600, Bo Peng wrote:
> > I tested it with two different external applications. The first one
> > being the infamous cmd.exe window, the second one the rxvt terminal.
>
> Either of them qualifies as GUI application.
I think you mean non-GUI applications.
> I t
I tested it with two different external applications. The first one
being the infamous cmd.exe window, the second one the rxvt terminal.
Either of them qualifies as GUI application. I think you should test
text editors like notepad, word, word perfect, open office, vim/win,
xemacs/win etc. Anywa
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 04:08:07PM +1800, Bo Peng wrote:
> > > This is also wrong. Mouse selection should not change system clipboard.
> >
> > Please, read the patch. It does not. It simply copies the clipboard to
> > the selection, so copy by middle mouse button works.
>
> I am confused, and my
> This is also wrong. Mouse selection should not change system clipboard.
Please, read the patch. It does not. It simply copies the clipboard to
the selection, so copy by middle mouse button works.
I am confused, and my lyx/linux can not do middle-button paste either.
When you say "copies the c
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 03:21:27PM +1800, Bo Peng wrote:
> > I really can't understand you.
> >
> > 1) Windows has no selection concept.
>
> Agreed, but we can use selection copy and middle-button paste within lyx.
This is currently not the case.
> > 2) Some programs exists which copy selection
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 02:16:07PM +1800, Bo Peng wrote:
> Isn't clipboard/selection separation the standard and preferred
> behavior? Let me make it clear:
>
> selection: mouse select copy, middle-button paste selected text from
> lyx (all platforms) or other applications (X11 only),
This is cu
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:43:40PM +0100, Peter Kümmel wrote:
> Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> > Georg Baum wrote:
> >> - copy something to the clipboard
> >> - select something different and press C-v
> >>
> >> that currently replaces the selection with the clipboard would not
> >> work anymore.
> >
I really can't understand you.
1) Windows has no selection concept.
Agreed, but we can use selection copy and middle-button paste within lyx.
2) Some programs exists which copy selection to the clipboard.
These programs are wrong.
3) Abdel makes a patch that treats selection as the clipbo
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:40:38PM +0100, Leuven, E. wrote:
> i agree that with georg here.
>
> mouse-pasting only looks like an okay solution here...
This means that you agree with the patch by Abdel, then.
--
Enrico
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:24:49PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Georg Baum wrote:
> > - copy something to the clipboard
> > - select something different and press C-v
> >
> > that currently replaces the selection with the clipboard would not work
> > anymore.
>
> Well you have a point here
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:12:38PM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 19:57 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> > I am a UNIX guy trapped on Windows and I don't think that this is non
> > standard behaviour. See my other post.
>
> My experience is different. I am a windows user, too,
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 08:16:20PM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 19:48 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> > The Cygwin X-server has a -clipboard option that maps a selection in
> > an X11 application to the Windows clipboard.
>
> Guess why this is an option and not compiled in
> You mean with keyboard shortcuts or also via the menu (Edit->Paste External
> Clipboard/Selection->Clipboard as Lines)? If only the former, it's bug 3042
> (shortcuts missing for clipboard-paste).
Thanks Jürgen,
I missed this bug report and the changed shortcut for pasting was my problem.
I th
Well you have a point here. Maybe we can enable mouse-pasting but not
mouse-selection-copying. What do you think Enrico (and Bo, Uwe, Peter,
Joost, etc...)?
Isn't clipboard/selection separation the standard and preferred
behavior? Let me make it clear:
selection: mouse select copy, middle-butto
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Georg Baum wrote:
>> - copy something to the clipboard
>> - select something different and press C-v
>>
>> that currently replaces the selection with the clipboard would not
>> work anymore.
>
> Well you have a point here. Maybe we can enable mouse-pasting but not
> mous
i agree that with georg here.
mouse-pasting only looks like an okay solution here...
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Georg Baum wrote
Georg Baum wrote:
- copy something to the clipboard
- select something different and press C-v
that currently replaces the selection with the clipboard would not work
anymore.
Well you have a point here. Maybe we can enable mouse-pasting but not
mouse-selection-copying. What do you think Enr
Georg Baum wrote:
I don't have a problem to implement this feature in a
configurable way, and I acknowledge that people like you and Abdel like
it, but I still don't think that it should be enabled by default.
Deal then ;-)
Abdel.
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 19:48 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> Georg, we are speaking about Windows here. Not X11 on Windows, native
> Windows.
I know.
> Rxvt (also available for MSYS) is a Windows app which maps a
> selection to the clipboard:
> http://cygwin.com/faq/faq-nochunks.html#faq.usin
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 19:57 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> I am a UNIX guy trapped on Windows and I don't think that this is non
> standard behaviour. See my other post.
My experience is different. I am a windows user, too, and I cannot remember
any native program that does this. All use the
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 07:31:45PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Georg Baum wrote:
[...]
> > What would people who do not know what a selection on unix is
> > think?
>
> When they come across the feature I am sure they will like it.
Agreed.
> > The more I think about this stuff the more I
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 06:16:00PM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 16:47 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
>
> > I think this is in the eye of the beholder. I would like to have that
> > bug back again ;-)
>
> LyX now implements interpretation 2 of
> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/
> But do we have simple copy and paste like all other windows programs?
> I may be wrong here since I do not use lyx/win much, but as far as I
> know, lyx's copy and pate is internal copy and paste and users need to
> use external copy and paste for system clipboard. This is definitely
> non-windo
Bo Peng wrote:
We should not try to emulate UNIX on windows, but follow the UI
guidelines
of the OS, period. Those who want UNIX should either use a real UNIX, or
cygwin, or they should adapt to windows if there is no alternative.
But do we have simple copy and paste like all other windows pro
Georg Baum wrote:
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 18:10 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
I have an even simpler solution, see attached.
I like the attachment ;-)
Oups sorry, attached.
The first (and most difficult) step would be to outline how this is
supposed to work. When should the selection be
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 19:02 schrieb Bo Peng:
> > We should not try to emulate UNIX on windows, but follow the UI
guidelines
> > of the OS, period. Those who want UNIX should either use a real UNIX,
or
> > cygwin, or they should adapt to windows if there is no alternative.
>
> But do we hav
We should not try to emulate UNIX on windows, but follow the UI guidelines
of the OS, period. Those who want UNIX should either use a real UNIX, or
cygwin, or they should adapt to windows if there is no alternative.
But do we have simple copy and paste like all other windows programs?
I may be w
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 18:10 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
> I have an even simpler solution, see attached.
I like the attachment ;-)
> > The first (and most difficult) step would be to outline how this is
> > supposed to work. When should the selection be filled? When should it
be
> > empti
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 16:47 schrieb Enrico Forestieri:
> I think this is in the eye of the beholder. I would like to have that
> bug back again ;-)
LyX now implements interpretation 2 of
http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fClipboardsWiki. That is the only
sane thing to do, and should
Georg Baum wrote:
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 17:51 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
\>> I really miss this useful feature badly. Wouldn't it be possible to
make
middle mouse button on Windows paste the clipboard content right now?
Very easy to im
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 17:51 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
> Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> > Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> \>> I really miss this useful feature badly. Wouldn't it be possible to
make
> >> middle mouse button on Windows paste the clipboard content right now?
> >
> > Very easy to imple
Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
\>> I really miss this useful feature badly. Wouldn't it be possible to make
middle mouse button on Windows paste the clipboard content right now?
Very easy to implement... see attached.
You don't know how many times I select/copy something o
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 04:56:02PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
As a matter of fact, on Windows, I would like to mimic the X11 selection
when within LyX. This is on my TODO list ;-)
You will be my hero, then ;-)
I am still not your hero? :-(
I really miss this
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 04:56:02PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> As a matter of fact, on Windows, I would like to mimic the X11 selection
> when within LyX. This is on my TODO list ;-)
You will be my hero, then ;-)
I really miss this useful feature badly. Wouldn't it be possible to make
mid
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 04:30:26PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
All of this is not possible anymore in 1.5 and I see it as a regression.
Sure this middle-mouse pasting "feature" could be added back for Windows
and Mac (but not for X11). But still, there is no such S
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 04:30:26PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 10:50:21AM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
[...]
> >> As a matter of fact, "external selection" does not make sense at all on
> >> windows.
> >
> > I am not sure I agree with
Georg Baum wrote:
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 10:50 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
As a matter of fact, "external selection" does not make sense at all on
windows. Could we remove these menus and re-affect the Ctrl-Alt-v and
Ctrl-Shift-v to clipboard instead of selection? This would transfer bug
3
Enrico Forestieri wrote:
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 10:50:21AM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
With the current LyX1.5svn build it isn't possible to paste text from the
clipboard to the document. Astonishingly it is possible to paste the text
to the
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 10:50:21AM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> > Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> >> With the current LyX1.5svn build it isn't possible to paste text from the
> >> clipboard to the document. Astonishingly it is possible to paste the text
> >> to the LaTeX pre
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 10:50 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:
> As a matter of fact, "external selection" does not make sense at all on
> windows. Could we remove these menus and re-affect the Ctrl-Alt-v and
> Ctrl-Shift-v to clipboard instead of selection? This would transfer bug
> 3042 from cli
Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2007 10:37 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:
> Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> > With the current LyX1.5svn build it isn't possible to paste text from
the
> > clipboard to the document. Astonishingly it is possible to paste the
text
> > to the LaTeX preamble of the document but copyying stuff
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
With the current LyX1.5svn build it isn't possible to paste text from the
clipboard to the document. Astonishingly it is possible to paste the text
to the LaTeX preamble of the document but copyying stuff from the preamble
to the document is currently a
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> With the current LyX1.5svn build it isn't possible to paste text from the
> clipboard to the document. Astonishingly it is possible to paste the text
> to the LaTeX preamble of the document but copyying stuff from the preamble
> to the document is currently also not possible.
Yo
Uwe Stöhr wrote:
With the current LyX1.5svn build it isn't possible to paste text from
the clipboard to the document. Astonishingly it is possible to paste the
text to the LaTeX preamble of the document but copyying stuff from the
preamble to the document is currently also not possible.
I tes
With the current LyX1.5svn build it isn't possible to paste text from the clipboard to the document. Astonishingly it is possible to paste the
text to the LaTeX preamble of the document but copyying stuff from the preamble to the document is currently also not possible.
I tested this on Windows.
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