Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Dekel Tsur
Also the most salient point of those previews (at least that has turned out to be for preview-latex) is to integrate the look of the final output into the source, so as to render things more readable. Since the elements themselves are lacking fine structure, for editing you need the

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:26:17PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: The math editor already gives a good approximation on hour your formulae will look, so the need for a preview is much less needed than in emacs. In fact, in my opinion, the change in display that is performed when opening a formula

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread David Kastrup
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:26:17PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: The math editor already gives a good approximation on hour your formulae will look, so the need for a preview is much less needed than in emacs. In fact, in my opinion, the change in

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:26:17PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: The math editor already gives a good approximation on hour your formulae will look, so the need for a preview is much less needed than in emacs. In fact, in my opinion, the change in display that is performed when opening a formula

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 10:57:18AM +0100, Jules Bean wrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:26:17PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: The math editor already gives a good approximation on hour your formulae will look, so the need for a preview is much less needed than in emacs. In fact, in my

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:36:50PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: I hope we will support 99% of math constructs some day. But then there is always stuff defined in local .sty files... Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve,

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Jules Bean
? At the moment, primarily prooftrees and 'mathlig' (a package which I wrote to allow me to use shorthands like |- for the \vdash symbol). In the past it was commutative diagrams (which I typset in xypic). Almost every single chunk of math in my work uses features LyX doesn't suport ;) Preview Lyx

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:40:36PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:36:50PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: I hope we will support 99% of math constructs some day. But then there is always stuff defined in local .sty files... LyX should support defining macros in a different

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:54:59PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: But then there is always stuff defined in local .sty files... LyX should support defining macros in a different .lyx files. I know. But even that's not the solution. Either lyx understands all TeX primitives or we would need the

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:59:27PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:54:59PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: But then there is always stuff defined in local .sty files... LyX should support defining macros in a different .lyx files. I know. But even that's not the

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Dekel Tsur
> > Also the most salient point of those previews (at least that has > turned out to be for preview-latex) is to integrate the look of the > final output into the source, so as to render things more readable. > Since the elements themselves are lacking fine structure, for editing > you need the

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:26:17PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: > The math editor already gives a good approximation on hour your formulae > will look, so the need for a preview is much less needed than in emacs. > In fact, in my opinion, the change in display that is performed when > opening a

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread David Kastrup
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:26:17PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: > > The math editor already gives a good approximation on hour your > > formulae will look, so the need for a preview is much less needed > > than in emacs. In fact, in my opinion, the change

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:26:17PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: > > The math editor already gives a good approximation on hour your formulae > will look, so the need for a preview is much less needed than in emacs. > In fact, in my opinion, the change in display that is performed when > opening a

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 10:57:18AM +0100, Jules Bean wrote: > On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:26:17PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: > > > > The math editor already gives a good approximation on hour your formulae > > will look, so the need for a preview is much less needed than in emacs. > > In fact, in

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:36:50PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: > I hope we will support 99% of math constructs some day. But then there is always stuff defined in local .sty files... Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve,

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Jules Bean
ike |- for the \vdash symbol). In the past it was commutative diagrams (which I typset in xypic). Almost every single chunk of math in my work uses features LyX doesn't suport ;) Preview Lyx would allow me to at least see pretty renderings of the ERT LyX doesn't like. Jules

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:40:36PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:36:50PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: > > I hope we will support 99% of math constructs some day. > > But then there is always stuff defined in local .sty files... LyX should support defining macros in a

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:54:59PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: > > But then there is always stuff defined in local .sty files... > > LyX should support defining macros in a different .lyx files. I know. But even that's not the solution. Either lyx understands all TeX primitives or we would need

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-27 Thread Jules Bean
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 12:59:27PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 01:54:59PM +0300, Dekel Tsur wrote: > > > But then there is always stuff defined in local .sty files... > > > > LyX should support defining macros in a different .lyx files. > > I know. > > But even

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-26 Thread Angus Leeming
André, how does it work for you??? I get stacks of these messages because /tmp/lyx does not exist. Angus aleem@pneumon:src- writing '$D'$' to '/tmp/lyx/EcEeHcEc.eps' /tmp/lyx/: No such file or directory file '/tmp/lyx/EcEeHcEc.eps' registered writing '$D'$' to '/tmp/lyx/EcEeHcEc.eps' file

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-26 Thread Angus Leeming
On Wednesday 26 June 2002 3:18 pm, David Kastrup wrote: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: André, how does it work for you??? I get stacks of these messages because /tmp/lyx does not exist. aleem@pneumon:src- writing '$D'$' to '/tmp/lyx/EcEeHcEc.eps' /tmp/lyx/: No such file or

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-26 Thread David Kastrup
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday 26 June 2002 3:18 pm, David Kastrup wrote: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: André, how does it work for you??? I get stacks of these messages because /tmp/lyx does not exist. aleem@pneumon:src- writing '$D'$' to

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-26 Thread Angus Leeming
André, how does it work for you??? I get stacks of these messages because /tmp/lyx does not exist. Angus aleem@pneumon:src-> writing '$D'$' to '/tmp/lyx/EcEeHcEc.eps' /tmp/lyx/: No such file or directory file '/tmp/lyx/EcEeHcEc.eps' registered writing '$D'$' to '/tmp/lyx/EcEeHcEc.eps' file

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-26 Thread Angus Leeming
On Wednesday 26 June 2002 3:18 pm, David Kastrup wrote: > Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > André, how does it work for you??? > > > > I get stacks of these messages because /tmp/lyx does not exist. > > > > aleem@pneumon:src-> writing '$D'$' to '/tmp/lyx/EcEeHcEc.eps' > > /tmp/lyx/:

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-26 Thread David Kastrup
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wednesday 26 June 2002 3:18 pm, David Kastrup wrote: > > Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > André, how does it work for you??? > > > > > > I get stacks of these messages because /tmp/lyx does not exist. > > > > > > aleem@pneumon:src->

preview lyx

2002-06-25 Thread Andre Poenitz
Proof of concept see attached gif. It is actually not as slow as I expected. In its current (really stupid) implementation its less than a second for the preview to come up (on my admittedly fairly recent machine_. But it eats quite a bit of memory currently and does not clean up properly. A

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-25 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 09:05:29PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: Proof of concept see attached gif. It is actually not as slow as I expected. In its current (really stupid) implementation its less than a second for the preview to come up (on my admittedly fairly recent machine_. I'm sure a

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-25 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 09:05:29PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: Proof of concept see attached gif. It is actually not as slow as I expected. In its current (really stupid) implementation its less than a second for the preview to come up (on my admittedly fairly recent machine_. But it

preview lyx

2002-06-25 Thread Andre Poenitz
Proof of concept see attached gif. It is actually not as slow as I expected. In its current (really stupid) implementation its less than a second for the preview to come up (on my admittedly fairly recent machine_. But it eats quite a bit of memory currently and does not clean up properly. A

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-25 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 09:05:29PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > Proof of concept see attached gif. > > It is actually not as slow as I expected. In its current (really stupid) > implementation its less than a second for the preview to come up (on my > admittedly fairly recent machine_. I'm

Re: preview lyx

2002-06-25 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 09:05:29PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > Proof of concept see attached gif. > > It is actually not as slow as I expected. In its current (really stupid) > implementation its less than a second for the preview to come up (on my > admittedly fairly recent machine_. > >

Re: TUG2002. Was: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
will be a big starting help for some users. What other features would you find worth having pointed out (apart from preview-LyX, in case it gets into a demonstratable state by conference time, or at least into a stage where one can be reasonably sure that its implementation will get followed

Re: TUG2002. Was: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
(key bindings, mouseclicks, drawing). > I am digressing. Obviously, the math editor will be a big starting > help for some users. What other features would you find worth having > pointed out (apart from preview-LyX, in case it gets into a > demonstratable state by conference time, o

TUG2002. Was: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-20 Thread David Kastrup
. Obviously, the math editor will be a big starting help for some users. What other features would you find worth having pointed out (apart from preview-LyX, in case it gets into a demonstratable state by conference time, or at least into a stage where one can be reasonably sure that its implementation

Re: TUG2002. Was: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-20 Thread David Kastrup
Herbert Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Kastrup wrote: I am digressing. Obviously, the math editor will be a big starting help for some users. What other features would you find worth having pointed out (apart from preview-LyX, in case it gets into a demonstratable state

Re: TUG2002. Was: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-20 Thread Herbert Voss
David Kastrup wrote: I am digressing. Obviously, the math editor will be a big starting help for some users. What other features would you find worth having pointed out (apart from preview-LyX, in case it gets into a demonstratable state by conference time, or at least into a stage where

TUG2002. Was: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-20 Thread David Kastrup
. Obviously, the math editor will be a big starting help for some users. What other features would you find worth having pointed out (apart from preview-LyX, in case it gets into a demonstratable state by conference time, or at least into a stage where one can be reasonably sure that its implementation

Re: TUG2002. Was: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-20 Thread David Kastrup
Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > > > I am digressing. Obviously, the math editor will be a big starting > > help for some users. What other features would you find worth having > > pointed out (apart from preview-LyX, in case it

Re: TUG2002. Was: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-20 Thread Herbert Voss
David Kastrup wrote: > I am digressing. Obviously, the math editor will be a big starting > help for some users. What other features would you find worth having > pointed out (apart from preview-LyX, in case it gets into a > demonstratable state by conference time, or at least

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 03:12:27PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: Well LyX is getting better at graphics. It can display almost any graphics file you throw at it, either by loading the file direct or by converting it to a loadable format and loading that temp file. All graphics loading and

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread Angus Leeming
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 8:01 am, Andre Poenitz wrote: What would be the format that (a) can be produced by gs, (b) displayed natively by LyX and (c) is the fastest? Comparing the available gs devices to this list of formats that can be loaded natively by LyX, these formats could be used:

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread David Kastrup
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday 15 May 2002 8:01 am, Andre Poenitz wrote: What would be the format that (a) can be produced by gs, (b) displayed natively by LyX and (c) is the fastest? Comparing the available gs devices to this list of formats that can be loaded

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread David Kastrup
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday 15 May 2002 8:01 am, Andre Poenitz wrote: What would be the format that (a) can be produced by gs, (b) displayed natively by LyX and (c) is the fastest? Comparing the available gs devices to this list of formats that can be loaded

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread Angus Leeming
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 11:05 am, David Kastrup wrote: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But if you ask me: better to support PNG natively soon. After all, it is _the_ standard free format for lossless compression of graphical images. Keep bugging us once 1.2 is out the door. I'll

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread David Kastrup
Garst R. Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, jpeg lets you choose how lossy it is, tif files tend to get huge, pnm I have not used that much. The following are all the same figure. -rw-r--r--1 garstusers2043 May 10 2000 pei.gif -rw-r--r--1 garstusers2640

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread John Levon
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:01:38AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: What would be the format that (a) can be produced by gs, (b) displayed natively by LyX and (c) is the fastest? Undoubtedly the fastest method is to use the X rendering we used to for figinset, since there is no intermediate file,

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread John Levon
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 12:05:00PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: least pnm will encode monochromatic images with 8 bits per pixel instead of 24 (and if you don't use antialiasing, pure BW text will render with 1 bit per pixel, while looking ugly). Actually David I have a question about how

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread Philipp Reichmuth
What would be the format that (a) can be produced by gs, (b) displayed natively by LyX and (c) is the fastest? JL Undoubtedly the fastest method is to use the X rendering we used to for JL figinset, since there is no intermediate file, and probably no need to JL spawn another gs process.

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread John Levon
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 04:04:53PM +0200, Philipp Reichmuth wrote: JL Undoubtedly the fastest method is to use the X rendering we used to for JL figinset, since there is no intermediate file, and probably no need to JL spawn another gs process. Wouldn't that break GUI independence with

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread Angus Leeming
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 2:44 pm, John Levon wrote: On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:01:38AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: What would be the format that (a) can be produced by gs, (b) displayed natively by LyX and (c) is the fastest? Undoubtedly the fastest method is to use the X rendering we used

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread John Levon
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 03:16:07PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: John, I don't think that David is subscribed to the list yet, so he won't be getting these insights. Yeah I forgot, but bounced them after posting john -- So what you're saying is screw the disabled and you want us to do the

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread David Kastrup
John Levon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 12:05:00PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: least pnm will encode monochromatic images with 8 bits per pixel instead of 24 (and if you don't use antialiasing, pure BW text will render with 1 bit per pixel, while looking ugly).

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 02:47:40PM +0100, John Levon wrote: Is it simple to detect cases like and automatically just show the TeX code, or would it be up to the user to turn off preview for these insets ? I'd guess we (i.e. LyX) have to specify which things can be rendered and which not. Sort

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 04:04:53PM +0200, Philipp Reichmuth wrote: Wouldn't that break GUI independence with non-X platforms? If I remember correctly, there has been a substantial number of users expressing interest in Qt-Win32, native Windows or BeOS GUIs which would be quite incompatible

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread David Kastrup
John Levon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:01:38AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: What would be the format that (a) can be produced by gs, (b) displayed natively by LyX and (c) is the fastest? Undoubtedly the fastest method is to use the X rendering we used to for

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 03:12:27PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > Well LyX is getting better at graphics. It can display almost any graphics > file you throw at it, either by loading the file direct or by converting it > to a loadable format and loading that temp file. All graphics loading and

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread Angus Leeming
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 8:01 am, Andre Poenitz wrote: > What would be the format that (a) can be produced by gs, (b) displayed > "natively" by LyX and (c) is the "fastest"? Comparing the available gs devices to this list of formats that can be loaded natively by LyX, these formats could be

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread David Kastrup
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wednesday 15 May 2002 8:01 am, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > What would be the format that (a) can be produced by gs, (b) displayed > > "natively" by LyX and (c) is the "fastest"? > > Comparing the available gs devices to this list of formats that can

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread David Kastrup
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wednesday 15 May 2002 8:01 am, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > What would be the format that (a) can be produced by gs, (b) displayed > > "natively" by LyX and (c) is the "fastest"? > > Comparing the available gs devices to this list of formats that can

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread Angus Leeming
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 11:05 am, David Kastrup wrote: > Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But if you ask me: better to support PNG natively soon. After all, it > is _the_ standard free format for lossless compression of graphical > images. Keep bugging us once 1.2 is out the door.

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread David Kastrup
"Garst R. Reese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, jpeg lets you choose how lossy it is, tif files tend to get huge, > pnm I have not used that much. The following are all the same figure. > -rw-r--r--1 garstusers2043 May 10 2000 pei.gif > -rw-r--r--1 garstusers

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread John Levon
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:01:38AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > What would be the format that (a) can be produced by gs, (b) displayed > "natively" by LyX and (c) is the "fastest"? Undoubtedly the fastest method is to use the X rendering we used to for figinset, since there is no intermediate

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread John Levon
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 12:05:00PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > least pnm will encode monochromatic images with 8 bits per pixel > instead of 24 (and if you don't use antialiasing, pure B text will > render with 1 bit per pixel, while looking ugly). Actually David I have a question about how

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread Philipp Reichmuth
>> What would be the format that (a) can be produced by gs, (b) displayed >> "natively" by LyX and (c) is the "fastest"? JL> Undoubtedly the fastest method is to use the X rendering we used to for JL> figinset, since there is no intermediate file, and probably no need to JL> spawn another gs

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread John Levon
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 04:04:53PM +0200, Philipp Reichmuth wrote: > JL> Undoubtedly the fastest method is to use the X rendering we used to for > JL> figinset, since there is no intermediate file, and probably no need to > JL> spawn another gs process. > > Wouldn't that break GUI independence

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread Angus Leeming
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 2:44 pm, John Levon wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:01:38AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > What would be the format that (a) can be produced by gs, (b) displayed > > "natively" by LyX and (c) is the "fastest"? > > Undoubtedly the fastest method is to use the X

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread John Levon
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 03:16:07PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > John, I don't think that David is subscribed to the list yet, so he won't be > getting these insights. Yeah I forgot, but bounced them after posting john -- "So what you're saying is "screw the disabled" and you want us to do

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread David Kastrup
John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 12:05:00PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > > > least pnm will encode monochromatic images with 8 bits per pixel > > instead of 24 (and if you don't use antialiasing, pure B text will > > render with 1 bit per pixel, while looking

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 02:47:40PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > Is it simple to detect cases like and automatically just show the TeX > code, or would it be up to the user to turn off preview for these insets > ? I'd guess we (i.e. LyX) have to specify which "things" can be rendered and which not.

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 04:04:53PM +0200, Philipp Reichmuth wrote: > Wouldn't that break GUI independence with non-X platforms? If I > remember correctly, there has been a substantial number of users > expressing interest in Qt-Win32, native Windows or BeOS GUIs which > would be quite

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-15 Thread David Kastrup
John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:01:38AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > What would be the format that (a) can be produced by gs, (b) > > displayed "natively" by LyX and (c) is the "fastest"? > > Undoubtedly the fastest method is to use the X rendering we

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen
On 12 May 2002, David Kastrup wrote: Several of you probably are already aware of the preview-latex project where I am head developer. I delivered a talk about it at the recent I propose that you stay around a bit, and when 1.3.0 opens, we can look into this. Right now, LyX is in feature

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
On Tuesday 14 May 2002 9:47 am, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote: On 12 May 2002, David Kastrup wrote: Several of you probably are already aware of the preview-latex project where I am head developer. I delivered a talk about it at the recent I propose that you stay around a bit, and when

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
be done in C++ for preview-LyX. Since Emacs provides a usable (though idiosyncratic) rapid prototyping extension language and a powerful display engine, and I am used to it, I will certainly try to keep the Emacs connection up to par with developments in that area. But the ultimate goal will probably

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 04:59:09PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: [...] In contrast, I believe LyX to have the necessary infrastructure for that kind of functionality. At least partially... I believe so, too. [...] Even in those areas where LyX _does_ know its things (like in math formulas),

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
that is reasonable to ensure this will be as painless as it gets for me and prospective customers. And don't you believe I am not perfectly capable of stealing any good code that you may develop in the course of implementing some preview-LyX functionality. Just tying together the work of others is one

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
believe I am not perfectly capable of stealing any good code that you may develop in the course of implementing some preview-LyX functionality. Good code? From us? ;^) Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
On Tuesday 14 May 2002 12:47 pm, Andre Poenitz wrote: We don't have proper multithreading, but some of the graphics stuff is (was?) rendered asynchronously already. We have a forkedcalls class that executes a fork-ed process and emits a signal when that process finishes. I think that it'd be

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 14 May 2002 12:47 pm, Andre Poenitz wrote: We don't have proper multithreading, but some of the graphics stuff is (was?) rendered asynchronously already. We have a forkedcalls class that executes a fork-ed process and emits a signal

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At the current point of time, preview-latex is defensive in resource usage; you need an explicit request to let it start the background machinations. Part of the reason is that there are associated fixed costs with starting up LaTeX, DviPS and

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
On Tuesday 14 May 2002 1:47 pm, David Kastrup wrote: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 14 May 2002 12:47 pm, Andre Poenitz wrote: We don't have proper multithreading, but some of the graphics stuff is (was?) rendered asynchronously already. We have a forkedcalls

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 14 May 2002 1:47 pm, David Kastrup wrote: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 14 May 2002 12:47 pm, Andre Poenitz wrote: We don't have proper multithreading, but some of the graphics stuff is (was?) rendered

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
On Tuesday 14 May 2002 2:20 pm, David Kastrup wrote: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 14 May 2002 1:47 pm, David Kastrup wrote: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 14 May 2002 12:47 pm, Andre Poenitz wrote: We don't have proper multithreading, but

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Rod Pinna
They waited 18 months for 1.2. They're going to like what they see which should give us some time before thay start screaming for more ;-) Angus As a token userMORE! Thought I'd try to be the first... Regards (and many thanks) Rod

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well LyX is getting better at graphics. It can display almost any graphics file you throw at it, either by loading the file direct or by converting it to a loadable format and loading that temp file. All graphics loading and rendering is asynchronous,

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen
On 12 May 2002, David Kastrup wrote: > Several of you probably are already aware of the preview-latex project > where I am head developer. I delivered a talk about it at the recent I propose that you stay around a bit, and when 1.3.0 opens, we can look into this. Right now, LyX is in feature

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
On Tuesday 14 May 2002 9:47 am, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote: > On 12 May 2002, David Kastrup wrote: > > Several of you probably are already aware of the preview-latex project > > where I am head developer. I delivered a talk about it at the recent > > I propose that you stay around a bit, and

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
review-latex, and it could obliterate quite a bit of the glue code done in Emacs Lisp there, and which would presumably be done in C++ for preview-LyX. Since Emacs provides a usable (though idiosyncratic) rapid prototyping extension language and a powerful display engine, and I am used to it, I wil

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 04:59:09PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: > [...] In contrast, I believe LyX to have the necessary infrastructure for > that kind of functionality. At least partially... I believe so, too. > [...] Even in those areas where LyX _does_ know its things > (like in math

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
ems and environments I would not prefer for personal work. When I am forced to use and offer them, I better make sure that I do all that is reasonable to ensure this will be as painless as it gets for me and prospective customers. And don't you believe I am not perfectly capable of stealing any

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Andre Poenitz
important for its acceptance: does > LyX offer some sort of multithreading or asynchronicity or the like? We don't have proper multithreading, but some of the graphics stuff is (was?) rendered asynchronously already. > And don't you believe I am not perfectly capable of stealing any good > code tha

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
On Tuesday 14 May 2002 12:47 pm, Andre Poenitz wrote: > We don't have proper multithreading, but some of the graphics stuff is > (was?) rendered asynchronously already. We have a forkedcalls class that executes a fork-ed process and emits a signal when that process finishes. I think that it'd

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 14 May 2002 12:47 pm, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > We don't have proper multithreading, but some of the graphics stuff is > > (was?) rendered asynchronously already. > > We have a forkedcalls class that executes a fork-ed process and emits a >

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > At the current point of time, preview-latex is defensive in > > resource usage; you need an explicit request to let it start the > > background machinations. Part of the reason is that there are > > associated fixed costs with starting up LaTeX,

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
On Tuesday 14 May 2002 1:47 pm, David Kastrup wrote: > Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Tuesday 14 May 2002 12:47 pm, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > We don't have proper multithreading, but some of the graphics stuff is > > > (was?) rendered asynchronously already. > > > > We have a

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tuesday 14 May 2002 1:47 pm, David Kastrup wrote: > > Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tuesday 14 May 2002 12:47 pm, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > > We don't have proper multithreading, but some of the graphics stuff is > > > > (was?)

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Angus Leeming
On Tuesday 14 May 2002 2:20 pm, David Kastrup wrote: > Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Tuesday 14 May 2002 1:47 pm, David Kastrup wrote: > > > Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > On Tuesday 14 May 2002 12:47 pm, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > > > We don't have proper

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread Rod Pinna
> > They waited 18 months for 1.2. They're going to like what they see which > should give us some time before thay start screaming for more ;-) > > Angus As a token user"MORE!" Thought I'd try to be the first... Regards (and many thanks) Rod

Re: preview-LyX ?

2002-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well LyX is getting better at graphics. It can display almost any > graphics file you throw at it, either by loading the file direct or > by converting it to a loadable format and loading that temp > file. All graphics loading and rendering is

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