Re: no-no?

2003-02-28 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 12:55 AM, Peter N Lewis wrote: I did find that various MUD clients would not work because they tried to link to perl and got hit with the binary incompatibility issue. There was an Apple installer script that failed if /usr/bin/perl was 5.8.0, as well - I forget wh

Re: no-no?

2003-02-28 Thread Peter N Lewis
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 06:05 PM, stephen rouse wrote: i take it installing 5.8 is a bad idea? Installing it over your stock Perl is a bad idea. Installing it somewhere safe - I prefer /opt - is perfectly harmless. Actually, since I've done this, installing 5.8 over your stock perl does

Re: dyld: /usr/bin/perl Undefined symbols:

2003-02-28 Thread Ari B Kahn
Yes indeedy - 5.6 Is it worth the 5.8? on 2/28/03 5:23 PM, Gary Blackburn at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 04:53 PM, Ari B Kahn wrote: > >> Trying to install SOAP on OS X 10.2.4 >> Even when I try it using the Makefile.pl I get the same error. >> Any suggestions

Re: Help with dl_install_.al error please

2003-02-28 Thread drieux
On Friday, Feb 28, 2003, at 14:18 US/Pacific, Warren Pollans wrote: [..] I'm trying to work through recipe 9.16 in the cookbook - using Apache::DB - although I'm not trying to use Apache::DB yet - just trying to see how my stuff works when I start apache with "httpd -X -f path-to-configfile". T

Re: no-no?

2003-02-28 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 06:05 PM, stephen rouse wrote: i take it installing 5.8 is a bad idea? Installing it over your stock Perl is a bad idea. Installing it somewhere safe - I prefer /opt - is perfectly harmless. sherm-- C programmers never die - they're just cast into void.

no-no?

2003-02-28 Thread stephen rouse
i take it installing 5.8 is a bad idea? At 5:23 PM -0500 2/28/03, Gary Blackburn wrote: Oddly enough I was using SOAP::Lite just today on my 10.2.4 box... I had installed it under a previous OS X version, however. (Plus, I'm one of those stupid people who's installed 5.8 over my stock Perl.)

Re: magic bullet needed for Perl upgrades on Mac OS X

2003-02-28 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 07:49 AM, Barry Jaspan wrote: I guess this leaves it unclear what to do when a user double-clicks on a .pl script No, I'd say that's crystal clear - open the file in BBEdit. ;-) sherm-- Heisenberg may have slept here.

Re: dyld: /usr/bin/perl Undefined symbols:

2003-02-28 Thread Gary Blackburn
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 04:53 PM, Ari B Kahn wrote: Trying to install SOAP on OS X 10.2.4 Even when I try it using the Makefile.pl I get the same error. Any suggestions? Will summarize ... Thanks -- Ari Kahn http://damon.ib3.gmu.edu/~kahn ### CPAN output ### Oddly enough I was using SO

Help with dl_install_.al error please

2003-02-28 Thread Warren Pollans
Could someone help me with this please? I had sent this to the mod_perl list - where it was suggested that I try here instead. Who is responsible for putting dl_install_.al in place. The DynaLoader module is installed. Thanks, Warren Begin forwarded message: Hello, I'm trying to work th

dyld: /usr/bin/perl Undefined symbols:

2003-02-28 Thread Ari B Kahn
Trying to install SOAP on OS X 10.2.4 Even when I try it using the Makefile.pl I get the same error. Any suggestions? Will summarize ... Thanks -- Ari Kahn http://damon.ib3.gmu.edu/~kahn ### CPAN output ### cpan shell -- CPAN exploration and modules installation (v1.63) cpan> install SOAP::Lit

Re: dmg of perl 5.8.0 on Mac OS X

2003-02-28 Thread Joe Davison
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Nathan Torkington wrote: > A .pkg is specifically just a distribution of files to be installed > using the Installer program. You can add pre- and post- actions to a > package (which I should have done for Perl--update your .cshrc to add > /usr/local/perl5-8 to the path).

Re: First results with PAR are good.

2003-02-28 Thread Barry Jaspan
I had to install: PAR Module::ScanDeps File::Temp Archive::Zip Compress::Zlib but not in that order. I used perl -MCPAN -e shell to download them all, but did NOT take CPAN's word for what dependencies I was lacking. As far as I can tell, CPAN on OS X always ends up thinking you need a bunch o

Re: First results with PAR are good.

2003-02-28 Thread Morbus Iff
>modules you already have, not to mention trying to automatically upgrade >your system perl 5.8. (Note: This behavior of CPAN's is why I had to Get a new version of the CPAN module, and you won't have the "upgrade perl" problem. >Note that these should only need to be installed on the development

Re: First results with PAR are good.

2003-02-28 Thread Morbus Iff
At 03:59 PM 2/28/2003, Morbus Iff wrote: >>The option of using PAR to distribute perl apps on OS X came up on my >>recent (slightly related) thread. I just installed it, and so far it >>seems to work quite well and easily. The files it produces are >>somewhat large, though: >> >>My real app (much

Re: First results with PAR are good.

2003-02-28 Thread Morbus Iff
>The option of using PAR to distribute perl apps on OS X came up on my >recent (slightly related) thread. I just installed it, and so far it >seems to work quite well and easily. The files it produces are >somewhat large, though: > >My real app (much larger than Hello, world) comes to about 1.9MB

First results with PAR are good.

2003-02-28 Thread Barry Jaspan
The option of using PAR to distribute perl apps on OS X came up on my recent (slightly related) thread. I just installed it, and so far it seems to work quite well and easily. The files it produces are somewhat large, though: % pp -e 'print "Hello, world.\n"' % ./a.out Hello, world. % ls -l a.o

Re: magic bullet needed for Perl upgrades on Mac OS X

2003-02-28 Thread Daniel Stillwaggon
On Friday, Feb 28, 2003, at 09:20 US/Pacific, Dan Sugalski wrote: A way to do packaging would be good, though there are licensing issues there that you don't have to deal with when using system-installed code. Would the easiest solution be to come up with a list of "basic" perl modules and a

Re: magic bullet needed for Perl upgrades on Mac OS X

2003-02-28 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 9:39 PM -0500 2/27/03, Sherm Pendley wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 08:01 PM, Daniel Stillwaggon wrote: Any perl application could ship with all of the perls and modules that it requires in its .pkg. Before installing, it would do a quick query and find out which, if any, of the

Re: 2 "/Library/Perl" in @INC

2003-02-28 Thread drieux
On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 08:22 US/Pacific, Riccardo Perotti wrote: I just did a perl -e 'print "$_\n" for @INC' in Terminal and both "/Library/Perl" and "/Network/Library/Perl" are listed twice. Why? about the only reasonablish reason I can think of would be that they did not do a 'ver

Re: magic bullet needed for Perl upgrades on Mac OS X

2003-02-28 Thread Michael Maibaum
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 01:04 AM, Rich Morin wrote: At 12:13 AM -0800 2/28/03, Michael Maibaum wrote: FWIW, it seems likely that 5.8.0 will be in 10.3, though that isn't certain. I have been told that it is what they would like to happen, and barring any unforeseen problems we should see

Re: 2 "/Library/Perl" in @INC

2003-02-28 Thread Vic Norton
Got me, Riccardo. I got doubling doubling as well, two different ways: ~% perl -e 'print "$_\n" for @INC' /sw/lib/perl5/5.6.1/darwin /sw/lib/perl5/5.6.1 /Library/Perl/darwin /Library/Perl /Library/Perl . ~% perl5.6.0 -e 'print "$_\n" for @INC' /System/Library/Perl/darwi

Re: 2 "/Library/Perl" in @INC

2003-02-28 Thread Ken Williams
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 10:22 AM, Riccardo Perotti wrote: I just did a perl -e 'print "$_\n" for @INC' in Terminal and both "/Library/Perl" and "/Network/Library/Perl" are listed twice. Why? I dunno - it's just compiled that way. It certainly doesn't cause a problem, though.

Re: Non-Perl but baffling question

2003-02-28 Thread Ken Williams
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 05:41 PM, Joe Davison wrote: On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Jeff Lowrey wrote: At 10:12 AM +1100 2/26/03, John Horner wrote: How do I find out if it's 10.1.3 or 10.1.5 from the command-line? [toothgnip:~] jeff% osascript -e 'tell application "Finder" to version' osasc

Re: magic bullet needed for Perl upgrades on Mac OS X

2003-02-28 Thread Ken Williams
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 07:01 PM, Daniel Stillwaggon wrote: What about a system where perl modules and versions could be registered in an easily parsable format like: perl-install /usr/local DBI::AnyData 1.0 etc, etc The idea is that this *file* (stars indicate tentative) could conta

Re: magic bullet needed for Perl upgrades on Mac OS X

2003-02-28 Thread Ken Williams
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 10:39 PM, Peter N Lewis wrote: Another alternative, for something like CB is that you could have an initial install you'd need to do for any CB app to run, and that would be the big one, once that was done, everyone else could just have the relatively small bi

Re: Evil undocumented Apple commands (was Re: Non-Perl but baffling question)

2003-02-28 Thread Ken Williams
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 04:13 PM, David Wheeler wrote: Apple knows that some utilities are undocumented (and that some man pages exist for utilities not actually included in the system). They've made great strides getting it all consistent, but as you've noticed, it's not quite perfe

2 "/Library/Perl" in @INC

2003-02-28 Thread Riccardo Perotti
I just did a perl -e 'print "$_\n" for @INC' in Terminal and both "/Library/Perl" and "/Network/Library/Perl" are listed twice. Why? Riccardo -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.riccardoperotti.com

Re: magic bullet needed for Perl upgrades on Mac OS X

2003-02-28 Thread Barry Jaspan
Perhaps I am missing the boat on this, but to me the solution seems simple. perl 5.6 and 5.8 are different. They are incompatible. You cannot automatically migrate from one to the other in safe manner, period. You can, however, quite trivially have both installed. perl 5.6 is /usr/bin/perl, /

Re: Non-Perl but baffling question

2003-02-28 Thread Joe Davison
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Jeff Lowrey wrote: > > At 10:12 AM +1100 2/26/03, John Horner wrote: > >How do I find out if it's 10.1.3 or 10.1.5 from the command-line? > > > > [toothgnip:~] jeff% osascript -e 'tell application "Finder" to > version' osascript -e 'tell application "Finder" to version'

Re: magic bullet needed for Perl upgrades on Mac OS X

2003-02-28 Thread Rich Morin
At 12:13 AM -0800 2/28/03, Michael Maibaum wrote: FWIW, it seems likely that 5.8.0 will be in 10.3, though that isn't certain. I have been told that it is what they would like to happen, and barring any unforeseen problems we should see it. Do you have an idea of the release schedule for 10.3? -r

Re: magic bullet needed for Perl upgrades on Mac OS X

2003-02-28 Thread Michael Maibaum
FWIW, it seems likely that 5.8.0 will be in 10.3, though that isn't certain. I have been told that it is what they would like to happen, and barring any unforeseen problems we should see it. Michael -- Michael Maibaum internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]|http://mike.maibaum.org voice: [h] (41