Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Kevin Callahan
On Oct 20, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Arno Hautala wrote: Apple is incrementally moving closer to the goal of you don't need to 'fully internalize the structure of an OS' and I can't wait to get there. I think that's it in a nutshell. And I think it's the right move. ... Bicycle of the mind ...

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
On 21 oct. 10, at 14:41, Michael Brian Bentley wrote: I haven't installed Mac OS X betas in years. This looks intriguing enough to track it carefully. Is Lion available through the developer program ? Jean-Christophe Helary fun:

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Ashley Aitken
Howdy All, I think this represents a new layer of the user interface for desktop computing. The Macs will now have three user interface layers: 1. Full-Screen Interface - Mission Control, LaunchPad, Dashboard, FullScreen Apps, ... 2. Traditional Mac GUI - menu bar, windows,

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread William Ehrich
On 2010-10-21 12:41 AM, Michael Brian Bentley wrote: The Mac desktop becomes program-centric, while it remains document-centric for some. The full-screen thing is part of the deal Like MS-DOS and Windows? First bog standard intel hardware, then...

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Lawrence Sica
On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:41 AM, Michael Brian Bentley wrote: 10.7 Lion yanks the apps out of the file system jungle. The Mac desktop becomes program-centric, while it remains document-centric for some. The full-screen thing is part of the deal, tho I think it depends on how it gets done.

Re: does the Mac App Store contains DRM? Is Open Source Software allowed?

2010-10-21 Thread Scott G. Lewis
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Arno Hautala a...@alum.wpi.edu wrote: does the Mac App Store contains DRM? Probably. I haven't seen anything official on this, but the wording in the presentation seemed to indicate that it'd be very similar to how the iOS Store functions. If one admits

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Michael_google gmail_Gersten
First, I haven't seen Lion or heard of it yet, so more info is good. Second, multi-tasking -- doing two different things at once -- may be a bad idea. But accomplishing a single task may require two tools Unix got to be great because your apps for a long time were chains of well behaved little

iPhoto 11

2010-10-21 Thread Kevin Callahan
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Re: iPhoto 11

2010-10-21 Thread Jonathon Kuo
Heh, mebbe iTunes will follow suit... On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Kevin Callahan wrote: iPhoto 11 has colored icons ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk

Re: iPhoto 11

2010-10-21 Thread Michael Caplinger
On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: iPhoto 11 has colored icons But it looks like Mail.app will be losing them... http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/10/21/apples_ical_to_get_year_view_mail_to_get_itunes_like_interface_in_mac_os_x_lion.html Mike

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Jonathon Kuo
On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Michael_google gmail_Gersten wrote: Second, multi-tasking -- doing two different things at once -- may be a bad idea. Guess I'll need multiple computers to get things done efficiently in Lion. Pretty smart of Apple.

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Michael Caplinger
On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Jonathon Kuo wrote: Guess I'll need multiple computers to get things done efficiently in Lion. Pretty smart of Apple. Heh heh, yeah, I'm sure they will be removing all ability to switch between apps ;) Seriously though, the screenshots and ideas behind Mission

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Michael Brian Bentley
Like MS-DOS and Windows? Nah, more like iOS. Unless you think iOS is like MS-DOS or Windows? Second, multi-tasking -- doing two different things at once -- may be a bad idea. Yeah, for humans. The machine multitasks so that I don't have to. Multitasking and multi-processor systems are

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Jonathon Kuo
On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: On 22/10/2010, at 2:44 AM, Jonathon Kuo wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Michael_google gmail_Gersten wrote: Second, multi-tasking -- doing two different things at once -- may be a bad idea. Guess I'll need multiple computers

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread steve
On 2010-10-20 18:18 , Arno Hautala wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 19:28,st...@paper-ape.com wrote: but a vocabulary of hundreds of different fingerswipes won't be especially intuitive until we all learn the fingerswipes in our childhood I don't think finger swipes have replaced any of the

FaceTime for Mac

2010-10-21 Thread Kevin Callahan
Do you have to keep it running for it to accept a FaceTime call? or is there a daemon listening? If you have to keep it running, how do you turn the camera off so the camera can be used for other services and apps? K ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list

Re: FaceTime for Mac

2010-10-21 Thread Andy Ringsmuth
On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: Do you have to keep it running for it to accept a FaceTime call? or is there a daemon listening? If you have to keep it running, how do you turn the camera off so the camera can be used for other services and apps? I just tested it

Re: FaceTime for Mac

2010-10-21 Thread Ashley Aitken
Apparently it will also do that for any and multiple Macs you have setup (and signed in). Cheers, Ashley. On 22/10/2010, at 4:29 AM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: Do you have to keep it running for it to accept a FaceTime call? or is there a

Re: FaceTime for Mac

2010-10-21 Thread LuKreme
On 21-Oct-2010, at 14:23, Kevin Callahan wrote: Do you have to keep it running for it to accept a FaceTime call? Nope. -- Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com

Re: FaceTime for Mac

2010-10-21 Thread Kevin Callahan
On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: Do you have to keep it running for it to accept a FaceTime call? or is there a daemon listening? If you have to keep it running, how do you turn the camera off so the camera can be

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread LuKreme
On 20-Oct-2010, at 12:13, st...@paper-ape.com wrote: does Lion somehow ring better to a younger generation? to me it falls really flat as a name Me too. But, meh, whatever. Was this th first time that Apple actually listed all the code names for OS X? the app store, Launch Pad, etc. feel

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread LuKreme
On 20-Oct-2010, at 16:29, Bill Cheeseman wrote: But I must say that the presentation scared me. I write software for Mac OS X, and I don't write software for iPhone or iPad because I really don't like the business model (from my end; it's great from Steve's end). I think if you crunch the

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread LuKreme
On 20-Oct-2010, at 17:15, Jonathon Kuo wrote: But iOS shoe-horns you into a 1-window-per-screen-per-app-at-a-time model. That may work for some workflows where you only want to be doing one thing at a time, but I think it's going the wrong way for the desktop in general. Lion = iOS + OSX

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread LuKreme
On 20-Oct-2010, at 23:41, Michael Brian Bentley wrote: I haven't installed Mac OS X betas in years. This looks intriguing enough to track it carefully. Agreed. Once Lion is released to mere mortal developers, I will almost certainly plonk down my $100, sign the NDA, and get to playing. --

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread LuKreme
On 21-Oct-2010, at 14:56, Scott G. Lewis wrote: I've seen so many files named Untitled (1), Untitled (2), etc. Untitled (214).pages is my record. Interestingly, when I asked how she ever found anything, she said Spotlight and yeah, sure enough, seemed to work for her. I do wish that Safari

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread LuKreme
On 21-Oct-2010, at 15:02, Scott G. Lewis wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:38 PM, LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: Launchpad is not for us. It's for them. People who spend significant time in Terminal won't spend significant time in Launchpad. Doesn't mean Launchpad isn't a brilliant

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Stefano Mori
On 21 Oct 2010, at 20:52, st...@paper-ape.com wrote: the problem with allowing applications to provide specific simultaneous-view options (e.g. photos in iPhoto) is that the problem domain is then defined by the application; a windowing interface still has merit, i believe, because the

Re: use APPLE Magic Trackpad and mouse in parallel

2010-10-21 Thread LuKreme
On 18-Oct-2010, at 05:20, Jared Earle wrote: I used the trackpad and mouse in parallel but then I realised I was hardly using the mouse. Now I just use the trackpad, but when I was using both at the same time, they worked fine. I use the mouse mostly for WoW. Trackpad for WoW=Not Good.

Re: use APPLE Magic Trackpad and mouse in parallel

2010-10-21 Thread LuKreme
On 18-Oct-2010, at 07:28, Bill Cheeseman wrote: Has anybody else experienced this issue? Nope. Not at all. Turning it off and back on doesn't work? -- Can I borrow your underpants for 10 minutes? ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list

Re: does the Mac App Store contains DRM? Is Open Source Software allowed?

2010-10-21 Thread LuKreme
On 20-Oct-2010, at 14:30, Sven Aluoor wrote: does the Mac App Store contains DRM? Apparently. Is Open Source Software allowed? As long as you write it in XCode I haven't seen anything that precludes OSS. Do the apps contain ads? If the developer puts in ads. -- As God as my witness, I

Re: SyncServices

2010-10-21 Thread LuKreme
On 20-Oct-2010, at 09:05, Rudolf O.Durrer wrote: The folder ~Library/Application Support/SyncServices/Local/DataReferences contains actually 117 folders. 62 of them are empty (even no hidden things in). Mine contains 341 folders, and 75 are empty. What are they good for? Does OSX produce

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Eric Gorr
On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Jonathon Kuo wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Michael_google gmail_Gersten wrote: Second, multi-tasking -- doing two different things at once -- may be a bad idea. Guess I'll need multiple computers to get things done efficiently in Lion. Pretty smart

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread objectwerks inc
It is amazing how people see a new feature and automatically seem to assume that that feature is going to become the only way to interact in the future For example, this full-screen stuff etc. I seriously doubt that Apple, anytime in the near or near-far future will get rid of windowing etc.

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread steve
On 2010-10-21 14:38 , LuKreme wrote: On 20-Oct-2010, at 12:13, st...@paper-ape.com wrote: does Lion somehow ring better to a younger generation? to me it falls really flat as a name Me too. But, meh, whatever. Was this th first time that Apple actually listed all the code names for OS X?

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread objectwerks inc
On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:10 PM, st...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2010-10-21 15:32 , objectwerks inc wrote: It is amazing how people see a new feature and automatically seem to assume that that feature is going to become the only way to interact in the future i certainly didn't assume that; my

AppleInsider: Lion to have vanishing scrollbars?

2010-10-21 Thread objectwerks inc
Lion to have vanishing scrollbars? http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/10/10/21/apple_leaks_new_scroll_bar_ui_details_in_mac_os_x_10_7_lion.html Sent from my iPhone___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Ashley Aitken
On 22/10/2010, at 3:18 AM, st...@paper-ape.com wrote: one advantage of a menu bar is that it (in principle) provides a dictionary of the commands that one also can execute in other ways; That's true. That said, menu bars are become so full these days that a lot of times I need to use the

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Ashley Aitken
On 22/10/2010, at 3:52 AM, st...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2010-10-21 13:08 , Ashley Aitken wrote: It's probably hard to believe (?) but I think most people who use computers don't multi-task, or at least need to run two applications side-by-side (e.g. think iPad). i think they live with

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Ashley Aitken
On 22/10/2010, at 5:05 AM, LuKreme wrote: On 21-Oct-2010, at 14:56, Scott G. Lewis wrote: I've seen so many files named Untitled (1), Untitled (2), etc. Untitled (214).pages is my record. Seriously? Amazing. Interestingly, when I asked how she ever found anything, she said Spotlight

Re: lion

2010-10-21 Thread Kevin Callahan
On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Ashley Aitken wrote: On 22/10/2010, at 5:05 AM, LuKreme wrote: On 21-Oct-2010, at 14:56, Scott G. Lewis wrote: I've seen so many files named Untitled (1), Untitled (2), etc. Untitled (214).pages is my record. Seriously? Amazing. Interestingly,