Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread BBS
No Ray, I would suggest deleting them before you install the Vocalizer Expressive voices or else, like I found out, it’ll bugger up the new ones. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:09 AM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote: -- You received this message because you are

Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-23 Thread Ray Foret Jr
How then do you delete them? Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:42 AM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote: No Ray, I would suggest

First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Daniel Miller
Hello, I just downloaded OS X Mavericks on my 2012 Macbook Air. As far as accessibility goes, I’m going to put a damper on something right away. iBooks isn’t ready for primetime, unfortunately. It’s an extremely quirky interface, that has lots of accessibility issues that need to be fixed

Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hello, Yes. ibooks does need a lot of waork accessibility wise. I do think its usable though. But it feels very much like a beta product. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com

Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Tim Emmons
Oh that reminds me, is the Kindle app on the mac itself accessible? I haven't loaded it onto the mac Book Pro yet. Thanks. On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hello, I just downloaded OS X Mavericks on my 2012 Macbook Air. As far as accessibility goes, I’m going to put a

Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Jane
It wasn't the last time I'd checked. Maybe it will be accessible next May? Jane On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Oh that reminds me, is the Kindle app on the mac itself accessible? I haven't loaded it onto the mac Book Pro yet. Thanks. On Oct 22, 2013, at

Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hello, No it is not. hth Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote: Oh that reminds me, is the Kindle app on the mac itself accessible? I haven't loaded it onto the mac Book Pro

Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Richard Ring
I completely aggree about iBooks. It’s not a VoiceOver ready app at all! Too bad! You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I

Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Barry Hadder
Hi, Actually the unlabeled buttons not with standing, iBooks is quite usable with Voiceover. Make sure that you have list selected. I’ve also have been able to download a sample chapter of an iBooks version of a book I have in PDF, and it is much better. The app certainly needs a little

Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Honestly, I am beginning to think it might be high time to have a list discussion on what defines accessible and usable. One user says it's not at all accessible while another says it's doable. Perhaps we might want to do a litlte something about clearing this up? Sent from my Mac, the only

Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Alex Hall
The question I have is: are there help labels for each button? For me, if a button is labeled with the help tag, I can at least label it myself and then the app is usable. It isn't perfect, but it is better than nothing. On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:

Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Barry Hadder
The buttons in question are not labeled nor do they have help tags, but other than the fact that it is stupid for them not to have done it, it doesn’t matter. I’m sure that they are in the menus. You have a row of radio buttons that are labeled, and the only on that will work for you is the

VO seems better was:Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Michael Marshall
hey, have just put the new OS on and all reddy i see a difference. hard to put my finger on but in some parts VO just seems more descriptive. some of the voices have got updates to install as well so i look forward to having a look at that. On 23 Oct 2013, at 10:41 am, Ray Foret Jr

Re: VO seems better was:Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Alex Hall
Okay, now please do me a favor and give me a reason to go dancing in the streets... Tell me they did something about the whole 1 row added thing that has driven so many of us insane... Please, tell me they did *something* about that. On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Michael Marshall

Re: VO seems better was:Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Michael Marshall
i don’t know about that as yet but i don’t think so some how. something new in VLC with VO i found interesting, if VO speeks when you are listening to something the music turns down when speech is on and turns back up when VO is done talking. On 23 Oct 2013, at 11:20 am, Alex Hall

Re: VO seems better was:Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Alex Hall
Yes, auto-ducking is finally on the Mac. Apparently there's a checkbox to control that if you don't like it. On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote: i don’t know about that as yet but i don’t think so some how. something new in VLC with VO i found

Re: VO seems better was:Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Michael Marshall
VO is much better on the net EG if you back out of a page it remembers where you were but who knows if it will remember all the time. On 23 Oct 2013, at 12:05 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, auto-ducking is finally on the Mac. Apparently there's a checkbox to control that if you

Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread BBS
The update is very good, except for a few things. I haven’t looked in the whole VO utility but the annoying pitch changes for data detectors in Mail and search boxes are still present with the Nuance voices. On the other hand, I’m glad that Vocalizer Expressive is on this thing now, although I

Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Alex Hall
As to the auto ducking, take a look in the commands available to a commander keystroke or gesture. It might be hiding in one of those menus, so you could just toggle it with a commander. I don't know since I don't yet have the update, but that is my first reaction. On Oct 22, 2013, at 10:58 PM,

Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Michael Marshall
hey, the one thing this update has done is make VO fantastic with safari. you can now click on text elements and even better if you hit the back button it seems to remember where i was when i clicked the link. anyone who has used screenreaders on windows will fined that using safari is abit

Re: First impressions of Mavericks

2013-10-22 Thread Ray Foret Jr
How do you delete the old vocalizer voices? Do you just uncheck them or what? I assume, of course, that you have to do this after the update? Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac