Re: dom order

2019-11-19 Thread Dave Carlson
Thanks, did not originally find that set of toggles. I’ll give it a test run. Dave Carlson Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the r

Re: dom order

2019-11-19 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi Dave, Yes, you are correct. Assign the letter, then VO-right to the command choosing menu thing, VO-space on that, down to Web, then right and down to Toggle DOM-Group. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Jamf Certified Associate Fort McMurray, AB

Re: dom order

2019-11-19 Thread Dave Carlson
Tim, I tried to set up a keyboard command to toggle between DOM and Group order as you have, but was not able to do it. It’s in the Voiceover Utility, under Keyboard commanders, correct? Assign a letter, and then…there I get lost. Dave Carlson Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and

Re: dom order

2019-11-19 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, One of the challenges I've found with DOM order is that web-site developers don't always code things in a logical order. From a development prospective, it is unnecessary for the elements to be coded in the order that a screen reader might read them due to the fact that

Re: dom order

2019-11-18 Thread Lorie McCloud
I always had mine on group but since the latest update to Safari things haven't been working so well in that setting so I switched it to dom order and my problem went away. I may have other problems later but so far all is good. > On Nov 18, 2019, at 6:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >

Re: dom order

2019-11-18 Thread Mike Arrigo
Dom order navigates the web page by object, in the order that the HTML specifies. This will usually be the setting you want. I have never really tried the group mode setting since the dom setting has always worked for me. > On Nov 17, 2019, at 3:51 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote: > > can

Re: dom order

2019-11-18 Thread Lorie McCloud
I don't mind the sounds in group ode. what I didn't like was that vo wasn't reading all the text. > On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:50 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Hi, > > When using DOM order, VO behaves more like those dreaded Window

Re: dom order

2019-11-18 Thread Dave Carlson
Ah, yes. That was going to be my other guess. Clear as mud, of course. Dave Carlson Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running o

Re: dom order

2019-11-18 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Document Object Model. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 11/18/2019 8:59 AM, Dave Carlson wrote: Tim, Okay, I’ll see if I can glean some differences on web pages. But, pardon for the simple quest

Re: dom order

2019-11-18 Thread Dave Carlson
Tim, Okay, I’ll see if I can glean some differences on web pages. But, pardon for the simple question, what does “Dom” mean? “Dominant”, Dominion”, or an acronym? Dave Carlson Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all me

Re: dom order

2019-11-18 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi, When using DOM order, VO behaves more like those dreaded Windows screen readers in that the page is not analyzed by VO where it attempts to group related items together for faster browsing. Some folks have had VO make funny sounds while it is in Group mode as, in some cases, these grouped

Re: dom order

2019-11-18 Thread Dave Carlson
Tim, thanks. Found it. But now I’ve forgotten why this is significant. How do these subtle differences affect my web browsing experience? Dave Carlson Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionar

Re: dom order

2019-11-18 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi Dave, It's in the Web category under the Navigation tab. Later... Tim Kilburn Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Jamf Certified Associate Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Nov 17, 2019, at 22:07, Dave Carlson wrote: Sorry, All I have are: Standard, Bookend Groups, Announce Gro

Re: dom order

2019-11-17 Thread Dave Carlson
Sorry, All I have are: Standard, Bookend Groups, Announce Groups, and Ignore Groups. Where is “Dom”. Dave Carlson Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any question

Re: dom order

2019-11-17 Thread Lorie McCloud
it's in the vo utility. go to navigation. > On Nov 17, 2019, at 8:43 PM, Dave Carlson wrote: > > Not sure I understand where the Dom vs. Group order reading settings are to > be found. > > Dave Carlson > Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician > > > > > > -- > The

Re: dom order

2019-11-17 Thread Dave Carlson
Not sure I understand where the Dom vs. Group order reading settings are to be found. Dave Carlson Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns abo

Re: dom order

2019-11-17 Thread Lorie McCloud
thanks. I saved your email about switching back and forth between modes and I may create a commander for that at some point if I find I need group mode for anything. don't know yet. Lorie > On Nov 17, 2019, at 6:43 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > > Dom order reads HTML document

Re: dom order

2019-11-17 Thread Jonathan Cohn
Dom order reads HTML documents like Windows screen readers. Group order reads them more like Macintosh applications, for example in lists when you have group mode on, you need to interact with the list to see everything inside as individual items. It also tries to arrange things somewhat like

dom order

2019-11-17 Thread Lorie McCloud
can somebody tell me what dom order is and how it differes from the other setting for navigation in vo utility? I changed my setting and it fixed my problem. I'd like to be aware of what else may change for me in Safari. thanks. Lorie -- The following information is important for all me